Understanding Center of Gravity and Balance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of center of gravity and balance, particularly in relation to human posture and the effects of gravity. Participants explore the mechanics of standing, leaning, and the implications of varying gravitational strength.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that when leaning over, the difficulty in standing arises because the body's weight is not supported by the skeleton, requiring muscular effort to maintain balance.
  • Others argue that the normal force from the ground prevents us from falling through it, but question whether there is a limit to this force if gravity were stronger.
  • One participant explains that if gravity were stronger than the electromagnetic forces keeping us from penetrating the ground, we would indeed fall through it.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that balance is maintained as long as the center of gravity remains within the base of support, drawing an analogy to a plate on the edge of a table.
  • Some contributions mention the role of muscle tension in maintaining balance and the potential effects of muscle tone and blood flow on stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of balance and the role of the center of gravity, but there are competing views regarding the implications of increased gravitational strength and its effects on the ground's support capabilities.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of gravitational forces and the physical properties of materials, which remain unresolved. The relationship between muscle tension, posture, and balance is also noted but not fully explored.

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I have two questions right now, so if someone could answer them, I'd be greatful.

When your center of gravity isn't supported very well, for example, when you lean over too far, it is difficult to stand, and not fall down, could someone explain why this is?

Second, if gravity was stronger(though I'm not sure how strong it would have to be), would it pull us through the ground? I'm just wondering, because I know that the normal force keeps us from accelerating into the ground, but is there a limit to the upwards force the ground can apply to us?

That's all for now, thanks in advance for any help I get.
 
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I think I understand the context of the questioner. If you lean over, it is impossible to stand! What prevents you from falling is your muscles. There is only one way to really stand, and that is perfectly straight. Anything else is just your muscles preventing the fall.

Or please read the next 25 posts for a more detailed explanation...
 
actionintegral is right on the first question. When you stand directly upright, the weight of your body is "transmitted" directly down through your skeleton, requiring no muscular effort at all.

When you are not balanced, the only thing keeping you from toppling is the tension in your muscles, opposing gravity.

As for the second question: if gravity were stronger than the electromagnetic forces that prevent us from breaking the floor, then yes, we'd fall through the floor. The sensation of "touch" is really just the electromagnetic repulsion of atoms in one surface by atoms of the other.

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Assuming that your feet or shoes aren't glued, nailed, or otherwise attached to the floor, you're lean is limited to a having a point of support under your center of gravity. Since your feet / shoes point forwards, you can lean forwards as long as your center of gravity doesn't go beyond the front edge of the contact point of your feet or shoes with the floor.

If you feet / shoes are attached to the floor, then it's a question of how much torque your muscles can generate to counteract the torque if your center of gravity is outside the outermost contact point with the floor.
 
chroot said:
When you are not balanced, the only thing keeping you from toppling is the tension in your muscles, opposing gravity.

- Warren

I noticed two common conditions in this respect. Standing errect/straight(I can't same about bending backward) and slight bending forward. One may fell weak or strong spine related to these.

Is it related to changes in vascular's muscles tones--relaxed/contracted condition or measure of "local blood flow control--acute or chronic" mechanism.
 
Byrgg said:
When your center of gravity isn't supported very well, for example, when you lean over too far, it is difficult to stand, and not fall down, could someone explain why this is?
It's because when you're well supported your bones are taking the weight, and it's no real effort to stand up straight. But if you lean over your muscles are working, and it's tiring.

Second, if gravity was stronger (though I'm not sure how strong it would have to be), would it pull us through the ground? I'm just wondering, because I know that the normal force keeps us from accelerating into the ground, but is there a limit to the upwards force the ground can apply to us?
No. If gravity were stronger, the things that make up the ground would be pulled downwards too, and the ground and would be compacted. So it would be stronger, and we wouldn't be pulled into it.
 
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Any time the line of gravity which goes through your body's center of gravity extends beyond your base of support, you fall over...ie when your center of gravity (normally located in the rear of the pelvic area, sacrum 2, to be exact) extends beyond your base of support (the part of you that's touching the ground or a seat or whatever), you fall over because of gravitational pull.

Think of a plate on the edge of a table. The moment the plate's center of gravity is beyond the table's edge (its base of support), it falls to the floor. This is true for the human body as well.

Hope this answers your question. I just learned about this in a physical therapy class.
 

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