Solving Exponential Equations Using Logarithms

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The discussion revolves around solving the exponential equation 3 x 2^x = 12, focusing on methods involving logarithms and the challenges faced by participants in applying these techniques. The conversation includes attempts to clarify steps in the solution process and the implications of using logarithmic properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation and their initial attempt at solving it using logarithms, expressing confusion over the multiplication involved.
  • Another participant questions the validity of a step where x is factored incorrectly from the logarithmic expression.
  • Several participants suggest alternative methods to isolate x, including dividing by 3 first or directly recognizing the powers of 2.
  • There is a discussion about the clarity of notation, with suggestions to use clearer symbols for multiplication to avoid confusion.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding logarithms as exponents rather than merely applying formulas.
  • One participant acknowledges their improved understanding after the discussion, expressing gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to clarify steps in solving the equation, but there are differing opinions on the best approach to take and the correct application of logarithmic properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal method for solving similar problems.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the initial approach, such as the incorrect factoring of logarithmic terms and the potential for confusion in notation. There is also mention of the need for careful handling of logarithmic identities and properties.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning to solve exponential equations, particularly those struggling with the application of logarithms and the manipulation of equations involving exponents.

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Hello,

The following problem is bothering me quite a bit. It is...

Solve.
3 x 2^x = 12

The Unit this question is in is about solving exponential equations through expressing each side as a power of the same base, by taking a base (x) logarithm of each side or taking a base 10 logarithm of each side.

The answer is supposed to be 2. Here are my calculations.

3 x 2^x = 12
log 3 + xlog 2 = log 12
x(log 3 - log 2) = log 12
xlog 3/2 = log 12
x = log 12 / log 2/3

Now this is incorrect for probably more then one reason. I've had success doing the questions of the form... 3^3x-1 = 9^2x. But when they introduced multiplication on the left side of the eq I got lost. Also I noticed that 3 or 2 cannot have a whole number exponent to make 12. Confusion is upon me. Thanks for the help in advance!
 
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How u reached x(log 3 - log 2) = log 12 from
log 3 + xlog 2 = log 12
 
I was trying to work along with the textbooks' example but the question didn't follow mine very closely.
 
As was stated, this is where you go wrong:

log 3 + xlog 2 = log 12
x(log 3 - log 2) = log 12

You can not factor x out of the log(3) term... since it has no factor of x in it! And what's up with the minus sign?

The correct way to do it is something like this:

log(3) + xlog(2) = log(12)
xlog(2) = log(12) - log(3)
xlog(2) = log(12/3)
x = log(4)/log(2) = log(2^2)/log(2) = 2log(2)/log(2) = 2

However, a simpler/better way is this:

3 * 2^x = 12
2^x = 12/3 = 4
2^x = 2^2
x = 2

:P
 
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the main thing you should focus on is getting x by itself, right off

so from [tex](3)2^x = 12[/tex], you should bring the 3 over to the right side, and then use logarithms to separate the 2 and the x. Then you can bring the 2 over, isolating x. Also remember that [tex]log (X^y) = (y)(log X)[/tex], although I think you already know this from the stuff you did. Try this and if you still can't get it post back.
 
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One unfortunate complication is that you used "x" to mean two different things. My first reaction when I saw "3 x 2^x = 12" is that you can't do this using logarithms since you have x both in the exponent and not in the exponent! Then I realized that the first "x" is times. It would be better to write the equation either as
"3*2^x= 12" using "*" for times or to just write 3(2^x)= 12.

As has been pointed out, you are correct that
log(3)+ x log(2)= log 12. Your error is in then writing
"x(log 3 - log 2)= log 12". That would be the same as
"xlog(3)+ xlog(2)= log 12". What you should do from
log(3)+ x log(2)= log 12 is subtract log(3) from both sides:
x log(2)= log(12)- log(3)= log(12/3)= log(4).


Actually, the way I would be inclined to do the problem is to divide by the "3" first: Dividing both sides of 3(2^x)= 12 gives 2^x= 4. You should then be able to recognize that 2^2= 4 so x= 2. That is, in a sense, using logarithms because it uses the basic definition of logarithm. Given that a^x= a^b, it follows that x= b because we know that a^x is a one-to-one function: it HAS an inverse. Saying that x= b is the same as using the inverse on both sides of the equation and the inverse IS the logarithm.
 
however, he will not always be able to come to those conclusions because x will not always be that simple. I suggest that instead of the last steps being:

2^x = 4
2^x = 2^2

you instead do this:

[tex]log 2^x = log 4[/tex]
[tex]x(log 2) = log 4[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac{\log 2}{log 4}[/tex]
 
Originally posted by Warr
however, he will not always be able to come to those conclusions because x will not always be that simple. I suggest that instead of the last steps being:

2^x = 4
2^x = 2^2

you instead do this:

[tex]log 2^x = log 4[/tex]
[tex]x(log 2) = log 4[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac{\log 2}{log 4}[/tex]

it should be
[tex]x = \frac{\log 4}{log 2}[/tex]
 
ack, sorry, the latex code was annoying me a bit and I must have accidently switched them
 
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Yes, it is true that if the problem were for example, 3*2x= 9, then it reduces to 2x= 3 and so x log(2)= log(3) so x= log(3)/log(2).

However, in my opinion, it is much better to understand that logarithm means the exponent. I suspect that the whole point of the problem 3(2x)= 12 was to recognize that this is the same as 2x= 22 rather than to mindlessly apply a formula.
 
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Wow. I actually understand this now. You all have my many thanks and my praise. I can continue with my work finally. This is the best response for help I've received yet. :smile:
 

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