What are the differences between natural, rational, whole, and integer numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and distinctions between natural numbers, rational numbers, whole numbers, and integers. Participants seek clarity on these mathematical concepts, including the inclusion of zero in natural numbers and the notation used for integers.

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  • Some participants define natural numbers as the set {1, 2, 3, ...}, while others question the exclusion of zero from this set.
  • Integers are described as the set {..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ...}, with some participants noting that the set is denoted by Z, while others prefer I for convenience.
  • Rational numbers are defined as numbers of the form p/q, where p and q are integers and q is not zero.
  • Whole numbers are identified as the set of non-negative integers {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}.
  • There is a debate about the origin of zero, with some asserting it originated in India.
  • Participants discuss the notation for integers, with references to both I and Z, and the subjective nature of symbol choice in mathematics.
  • Some participants mention Peano's axioms and the implications of including zero in the definition of natural numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether zero should be included in the set of natural numbers, indicating a lack of consensus. There is also a discussion about the notation for integers, with multiple acceptable symbols presented but no definitive agreement on preference.

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Participants reference historical conventions and personal preferences regarding mathematical notation, highlighting the subjective nature of these choices. The discussion also touches on the implications of definitions in mathematical structures, such as monoids.

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What are the differences between all of these numbers
- Natural Numbers.
- Rational Numbers.
- Whole Numbers.
- Integers.

Can anyone explain these with definitions and examples.

Thanks for the help.

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These are basic definition u would find in any maths book
still
Natural Numbers
1,2,3,4,... are called Natural Numbers, their set is denoted by N

Integers
The Number ...-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3... are called integers and their set is denoted by I

Rational Numbers

All numbers of the form p/q where p&q are integers and q not equal to 0 are called rational numbers and their set is denoted by Q and H.C.F of p,q is 1

Whole Numbers

Set of non-negative integers {0,1,2,3...}
 
Thanks for the reply. Why is 0 not included in the set of Natural Numbers? Is it true that 0 has its origin from India?

Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
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Is it true that 0 has its origin from India?
Yup its true
 
Difference between these

What about 0 not included in the set of Natural Numbers?

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Originally posted by himanshu121
Integers
The Number ...-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3... are called integers and their set is denoted by I

isn't it denoted by Z?
 
...

isn't it denoted by Z?



Doesn't Z denote a Complex functions?


I personally feel that using Ifor the set of integers is more convinient than using any other alphabet.


Sridhar
 
0 is a part of N , without it, it would not form a monoid for the addition.
 


Originally posted by sridhar_n
Doesn't Z denote a Complex functions?
actually no,

I personally feel that using Ifor the set of integers is more convinient than using any other alphabet.
if you want to be picky I was referring to [tex]\mathbb{Z}[/tex] but I was too busy to write the tex code...
and it's about mathematics not personal preferences :wink:
 
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As to whether 0 is a natural number or not: it's a matter of taste. Peano's axioms originally included 0. Most modern math books identify "natural numbers" with "counting numbers" and start with 1.

It is true that the "counting numbers" do not form a monoid.
The "whole numbers" do.
 
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Sridhar we can use Z too for integers we here in India do use I for integers, and is much more convenient here But I want to quote this
for GuyBrush
Symbol/Notation doesn't mean anything unless u know what do Symbol/notation represents[/color]

So its upto U what u want it to assign

Though I agree Z can also be used
 
  • #12
...

Thats what I have been telling him Himanshu...I is a more convenient notation for Integers...

Sridhar
 
  • #13
I means imaginary numbers.
 
  • #14
Both [itex]\mathbb{I}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex] are considered acceptable symbols for the set of integers. [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex] is the most commonly used symbol, primarily for historical reasons. It's also traditional to use double-stuck characters, although that is just a convention as well.

However, neither symbol is better. The matter is entirly subjective. I use [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex] because everyone I've ever worked with uses it, and I try to be consistent.
 
  • #15
Originally posted by master_coda
I use [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex] because everyone I've ever worked with uses it, and I try to be consistent. [/B]

yes, [itex]\mathbb{Z}[/itex] rules

and Tron3k the imaginary numbers are part of the complex numbers [itex]\mathbb{C}[/itex], there is no special symbol for them.
 
  • #16
I sometime heard that Z is used for integers because the german word for "integer" starts with Z, so it was natural choice for the many german mathematicians working with them.
 

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