Opening my door by pushing vs. striking.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of opening a door by pushing versus striking it. Participants explore the physical principles involved, including force, impulse, inertia, and the effects of shock waves, with a focus on the implications of different methods of applying force to the door.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that striking the door results in uneven vertical forces at the hinges, potentially increasing friction.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of impulse, suggesting that a punch, due to its brief contact time, requires a much larger force to achieve the same effect as a sustained push.
  • It is mentioned that the bending of the door upon impact is due to inertia, which prevents the door from moving as far as when pushed gently.
  • A further elaboration discusses how the energy imparted to the door causes it to vibrate, leading to minimal forward progress while oscillating back and forth.
  • One participant introduces the idea of shock waves, noting their non-linear behavior and suggesting a connection to the discussion on force application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanics of force application, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing the door's movement. Multiple competing explanations are presented, particularly concerning the effects of impulse, inertia, and shock waves.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the material properties of the door and the exact nature of the forces involved remain unaddressed, leaving room for further exploration of these concepts.

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My door was just opened a bit, and I needed to open it more to get in my room. For no particular reason, I struck the door with my fist relatively hard. The door is not that dense so I could see it bending as it went forward. It stopped opening before it was half way opened. When I push it open lightly, it opens much farther.

Anyone care to explain why?
 
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I'll take a wild guess. Watch what happens at the hinges in these two cases. I suspect that by hitting the door hard, the vertical forces at the hinges are more uneven leading to increased friction.
 
Time.

Lets say to open a door it takes 10 pounds of force for 1 second. Impulse is force times time, so that's 10 pound-seconds. If you punch it, you may only be touching it for a 100th of a second. So to give it the same impulse, the force will have to be 1,000 pounds (ouch).

Another issue is the bending you saw. When you hit the door, it doesn't have time to evenly absorb the force and accelerate, so it bends. That's because of inertia. And if the force goes into bending it, not accelerating it, it won't move as far.
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
Time.



Another issue is the bending you saw. When you hit the door, it doesn't have time to evenly absorb the force and accelerate, so it bends. That's because of inertia. And if the force goes into bending it, not accelerating it, it won't move as far.

Of the two factors Russ mentioned, I would say this is by far the greater. You imparted energy into the door and it flexed. Then it flexed back the other way, etc. By the time it got done vibrating, it probably traveled twicw the distance you needed it to, but did most of that travel back-and-forth while almost remaining in one place. You try a more extreme form of the same experiment by striking the door just as hard, but pulling your hand away as quickly as you can (this will minimse the time your hand stays in contact with the door). You will probably see the door vibrate even more, while making almost no forward progress at all.
 
Ah, excellent comments... very informative.
Do I hear the word "shock wave"! Of course!

I recently read a series of articles with regards to shock absorption; in particular, one dealing with a scientist in New York was most interesting.
Shock waves do not behave or interact in the same way as linear pressure.
In fact, shock waves produce non-linear waves. More specifically, they are spherically radiated.
See here: http://physicsweb.org/article/news/5/10/15
 

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