Understanding the Need for a Complete Circuit

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The discussion centers around the necessity of a complete circuit for the continuous flow of electric current. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of electrical circuits, including charge conservation and the behavior of electrons in a circuit.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Some participants propose that a complete circuit is necessary due to charge conservation and the principle of relativity, suggesting that without it, electrons would violate conservation laws by disappearing and reappearing in different locations.
  • Another participant explains the behavior of electrons in a circuit using an analogy, indicating that electrons are repelled by each other and require a positive terminal to create a flow, as they are attracted to it.
  • One participant expresses agreement with another's viewpoint but adds a more accessible explanation without using complex mathematics.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a complete circuit for current flow, but there are different explanations and analogies presented, indicating a lack of consensus on the best way to understand the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific interpretations of charge conservation and relativity, while others use analogies that may not fully capture the complexities of electron behavior in circuits.

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Hi,why do we need a complete ciruit required in order to have a continious flow of current.An early reply will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Ariel:frown:
 
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Originally posted by glasslp2000
why do we need a complete ciruit required in order to have a continious flow of current.
Charge conservation and the principle of relativity:

div j = ∂ρ/∂t

and

∂μjμ = 0
(this is the same as above, but you might not have seen it, and it emphasises the relativistic requirement)

Otherwise, electrons would disappear at one point in space and then reappear at another point in space, and this would violate conservation of charge under the principle of relativity (see simultaneity).
 
I really couldn't disagree less with Turin.

(That means I agree with Turin.)

But here's an answer with no tensor calculus involved:

Connect a light bulb to the negative terminal of a battery. The light bulb is neutral, and the electrons in the battery are repelled by each other. (Opposites attract, likes repel.) So some of them will run through the wire to the light bulb. But pretty soon, there's about the same amount of charge everywhere, or rather, the electrons have arranged themselves so that they are least repelled by each other. Imagine attendees of a party that ended badly, awkwardly trying to avoid each other at another party the following week.

It's a stable configuration, once they've all found a corner to sulk in, but not very conducive to light bulbs getting lit up.

To make the light bulb glow, you connect the other side of it to the positive terminal. The electrons are all attracted to this beckoning beacon, and they are much more concerned with reaching the positive terminal than they are with avoiding each other, and to get there they are even willing to pass through the thin filament of the light bulb, heating it to white hot in the process.

But unless there's a positive terminal to go to, they ain't movin'.

Forgive me if it seems that I'm anthropomorphizing electrons; I'm actually electrosizing humans.

P
 
Originally posted by rocketcity
Forgive me if it seems that I'm anthropomorphizing electrons; I'm actually electrosizing humans.

P

That should go in the who wants to be a liar thread.
 
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