Calculating Tension of Steel Wire at Different Temperatures

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The problem involves calculating the tension in a steel wire at different temperatures, specifically comparing the tension at 65 degrees Celsius and 200 degrees Celsius. The subject area includes concepts from materials science, specifically Young's modulus and thermal expansion.

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  • Participants discuss using Young's modulus and the coefficient of linear expansion to relate stress and thermal effects on the wire. There are questions about the interplay between these concepts and how they affect the tension in the wire.

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Some participants are exploring the relationship between thermal expansion and tension, with one noting a potential discrepancy in their calculations that suggests the wire may be under compression rather than tension. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Here is the problem:

A steel wire of a radius of 6E-4 is stretched between two concrete blocks. When the concrete and the steel are at 65degreesC the steel has a tension of 100N. what is the tension of the steel at 200degreesC?

I started the problem with using youngs modulus of:

Stress = (F/A) = Y(alpha)(delta T)

When I finished the problem i got a really small tension.

Any suggestions? (Don't just tell me the answer.)
 
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I don't think elasticity is the issue here.

Try coefficient of linear expansion.

Keyword = thermal.
 
After using the coefficient of linear expansion then do i use youngs modulas?
 
You use both together.

Young's modulus will let you get an expression for the change in length due to strain, in terms of Li.

The coefficient of expansion will give you an expression for the change in length due to thermal expansion.

Putting them together should give the new tension.

Only trouble is, when I do it, I end up with the wire under a compression force of 236 N, not tension. Seems to me that the thermal expansion is more than 3 times as great as the original stretching due to the tension. But maybe I made a mistake somewhere. [?]
 

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