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Looking for a part, does it exist?

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Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:05 PM
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I have a project in which I need to find a part that would work as follows:
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Imagine a smooth steel rod that is for instance .5 inches in diameter. Now imagine a block with a hole in it that fits around this rod. This block needs to slide easily and smoothly on the rod. However, sometimes I want to secure this block to the rod so it does not slide. It needs to be electrically controlled. At this point I'm thinking magnetic so it is just attracted to the rod. However, if it causes something inside the block to move and clamp to the rod that is fine too. This way the rod could be stainless steel or something non-magnetic. The duty cycle does not need to be 100%. Someone PLEASE tell me some type of device exists and point me where to find such a thing.
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FredGarvin
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Dec5-06, 08:12 PM
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I can't say I have ever seen or heard of anything like what you are looking for. The closest I can think of off the top of my head is a standard linear bearing/drill rod assembly with a hand actuated clamp.

Have you checked with any motion control specialists?
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:18 PM
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Of course, I would imagine something that doesn't exist. I have checked nowhere else at this point. It's something that popped into my head in the last hour or so as a solution. It NEEDS to be electrical. It will make enough on/off cycles for manual to be impractical.

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Dec5-06, 08:22 PM
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Looking for a part, does it exist?

Just because I don't know of anything doesn't mean they don't exist. I'll keep an eye out and ask some folks in the morning too.
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:26 PM
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I find it hard to believe such a thing does not exist also Fred. I really appreciate your effort. I'll keep following leads here on the 'net. There are alot of motion control companies out there but I'm just not sure what you would call a part like this. Some kind of brake maybe?
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 08:31 PM
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Just curious, how heavy is this block?
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:32 PM
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It doesn't need to be very heavy at all. It is used as an indicator and to actuate a switch.
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 08:33 PM
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How big a switch, like the one to flip on a light?

Also, what/how is it indicating?
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:35 PM
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It might not even be a microswitch. I will most likely make it optical.
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 08:39 PM
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Why cant it be fixed to the rod at some location, and the rod move up and down? It would be easier to clamp the rod at the base to hold the block.
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 08:44 PM
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The rod already moves. Up to 30 inches. The block can only be allowed to move within a 4 inch range. So it needs to slide sometimes. I really don't care to explain any more.
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 09:07 PM
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Top secret eh?

Well, without more information, it's going to be hard to know whats going on.
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 09:17 PM
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Well, you don't need to know any more about what is 'going on'. I'm tied to what I've already explained. There is no way to 'move this other part instead'. The rod moves. Sometimes the block needs to move with it, sometimes it doesn't. It never moves very far before releasing.
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 09:33 PM
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I don't know. Possibly an electromagnet?
Averagesupernova
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Dec5-06, 09:36 PM
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An electromagnet. That's the assumption cyrus. However, has someone packaged up a handy little device that does what I described?
Cyrus
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Dec5-06, 09:40 PM
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Nope, but I'll look online for ya.
RainmanAero
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Dec5-06, 09:40 PM
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Hi Averagesupernova,

Quote Quote by Averagesupernova View Post
Well, you don't need to know any more about what is 'going on'. I'm tied to what I've already explained. There is no way to 'move this other part instead'. The rod moves. Sometimes the block needs to move with it, sometimes it doesn't. It never moves very far before releasing.
Just a suggestion: I (and I have found several other engineers) often have difficulty envisioning something described in words alone. Engineers live by drawings, and its why we always start a problem with (how many times have we heard this?) "Draw a Free Body Diagram".

From what I can gather from your write-ups it sounds a bit like an electro-magnetic solenoid might do the trick. This is a device with a solid core (through which current is passed) and the outer "block" could and would be the electromagnet. I know some solenoids with 1-2 inch throws, but I am not sure of 4 inches or more.

If you could do a simple drawing it might help us help you. A solenoid is a discrete (ON/OFF) device such that when you energize it the core is pulled to one extreme of travel and when de-energized a spring holds it at the other extreme. But if you want to be able to continuously vary the position of the rod through the block, then you might want to look at something like a jackscrew or an E/M piston. More power required to operate these devices, however.

Another question that could be important: What sort of external loads might be applied to either the rod or the block?

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Dec5-06, 09:44 PM
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If I were to build something to that requirement, I'd score the top of the rod with a ****load of 'v'-shaped serrations and incorporate a wedge-shaped solenoid plunger into the block.


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