Kinetic Energy and Work and Power

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The discussion revolves around kinetic energy, work, and power in the context of two physics problems involving a block on a frictionless surface and a box on a conveyor belt moving up an incline. Participants are exploring the relationships between force, work, and energy in these scenarios.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem and question the calculations of force and acceleration in the first problem. They explore the integration of work done by a variable force and its implications for kinetic energy.
  • In the second problem, participants analyze the work done by the conveyor belt on the box moving up an incline, questioning the use of angles in the work formula and the relationship between force and displacement.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problems with participants sharing their calculations and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of work and the application of the work-energy theorem, but explicit consensus on the solutions has not been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also confusion regarding the angles involved in the work calculations and the nature of the forces acting on the objects in question.

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I can't seem to get the right answer to these questions

Question:

A 1.8 kg block is initially at rest on a horizontal frictionless surface when a horizontal force in the positive direction of an x-axis is applied to the block. The force is given by F(x)=(2.4-x^2)i N, where x is in meters and the initial position of the block is x=0

(a) what is the kinetic energy of the block as it basses through x=2.0m?

Answer:

This is how i tried to solve it, since Vi(initial)=0 and Vf(final)= unknown, we can use the formula Vf^2=Vi+2a(X2-X1). But..Force = (2.4-x^2) and at x=2 it is (2.4-4)=-1.6...and f=ma so -1.6/1.8 will equal the acceleration which is -.89...but how the f is the acceleration negative when a horizontal force is applied to the box on a frictionless surface? i don't know where i went wrong with my calculatoins...

Also here is another question that i am having trouble with...

Question:

Boxes are transported from one location to another in a warehouse by means of a conveyor belt that moves with a constant speed of 0.50m/s. At a certain location the conveyor belt moves for 2.0 m u an incline that makes an angle of 12degrees with the horizontal. Assume that the 2.0kg box rides on the belt without slipping

(a) At what rate is the force of the conveyor belt doing work on the box as the box moves up the 12degree incline.

Answer:

this is how i tried to solve it...

since m=2kg, a=0, theta= 12degree, and distance = 2m, and Vc(velocity at constant)=0.50...we have all the constants we need

So first Work=mgdcos(theta) = (2)(9.8)(2)(cos12)=38.343

and X2-X1 (change in distance)=(Vc)(time) sooo...2=38.343t and t = 4 seconds...

and Power = Work/change in time ...sooo 38.343/4 = 9.586 which is not the answer? help what am i doing wrong guys! thanks
 
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Originally posted by nemzy
Answer:

This is how i tried to solve it, since Vi(initial)=0 and Vf(final)= unknown, we can use the formula Vf^2=Vi+2a(X2-X1). But..Force = (2.4-x^2) and at x=2 it is (2.4-4)=-1.6...and f=ma so -1.6/1.8 will equal the acceleration which is -.89...but how the f is the acceleration negative when a horizontal force is applied to the box on a frictionless surface? i don't know where i went wrong with my calculatoins...
The force (and acceleration) are not constant. Find the work done by the force. (Integrate!)
(a) At what rate is the force of the conveyor belt doing work on the box as the box moves up the 12degree incline.
...
So first Work=mgdcos(theta) = (2)(9.8)(2)(cos12)=38.343
Where did the cos(theta) come from?
 
okay after i integrated the work done by the force i got 2.13333j..now where do i go from here to find the kinetic energy?

Also how can i found the max. kinetic engery of the block between x=0 and x=2m?


and for the second question..isnt the formula w=mgdcos(theta)?\

thanks
 
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Originally posted by nemzy
okay after i integrated the work done by the force i got 2.13333j..now where do i go from here to find the kinetic energy?
The work done is the kinetic energy. That's the so-called "Work-Energy" theorem.
Also how can i found the max. kinetic engery of the block between x=0 and x=2m?
You can find the KE as a function of x. Find the max of that function. (Hint: How did you find the KE above?)
and for the second question..isnt the formula w=mgdcos(theta)?
Sure, W = FDcosθ where θ is the angle between F and D. What angle did you use?
 
ok thanks for the first part of the question..

but i am still confused about the 2nd part of the quesotin..i still seem can't seem to get it right..this is how i tried to solve it


this is how my triangle looks like...Hypoteneuse = 2m Height = .4158234m and length = 1.956295201m..and the angle between the length and hypotenuse to be 12 degreee and the box lays on the hypoteneuse while moving up at a constant velocity of 5.31 m/s

W=Fdcos(theta)
F=mg

so W=mgdcos(theta)

m=2kg g= 9.8m/s^2 d=2m and (theta)=??

So W=(2)(9.8)(2)cos(??)=x

Power=W/T

and we know constant velocity .50 m/s and d=2 so t = 4 seconds

so x/4 = y Watts

is my work correct provided my theta is correct? If yes..then how do i find my theta?


also..how would i find the force of the conveyor belt doing work on the box as the box moves horizontally?

isnt that just W=FD ..and W=(2)(9.8)(2)=39.2

and Power = W/T and time =4 so 39.2/4 = 9.8 Watts
 
Originally posted by nemzy

is my work correct provided my theta is correct? If yes..then how do i find my theta?
Sure. Theta is angle between the force F and the displacement D. What's the force? What's the displacement?
also..how would i find the force of the conveyor belt doing work on the box as the box moves horizontally?

isnt that just W=FD ..and W=(2)(9.8)(2)=39.2
What happened to the cosθ factor? You can only skip it if the force and displacement are in the same direction. (Which just means that θ = 0 and thus cosθ = 1.) Are they? What's the force and the displacement?
 
thx!
 

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