Who Hit 10 Cars in Eight Minutes After Downing 11 Drinks?

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The discussion revolves around the incident of a drunk driver hitting ten cars in eight minutes, exploring the implications of drunk driving, potential deterrents, and societal attitudes towards alcohol consumption. The scope includes conceptual reflections on behavior, policy suggestions for preventing drunk driving, and comparisons to historical events.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express disbelief at how a driver could hit ten cars and continue without stopping, questioning the driver's decision-making process.
  • There are suggestions about the effectiveness of harsher punishments versus treatment for offenders as a means to deter drunk driving.
  • One participant proposes that a mass awareness campaign against drinking, similar to anti-smoking campaigns, could reduce the number of drinkers and consequently drunk drivers.
  • Another participant notes that while occasional drinking may not be harmful, there are individuals who struggle with alcohol dependence, complicating the issue.
  • A humorous suggestion is made about creating a complex system for starting cars that would deter drunk drivers, although it is acknowledged that this might not be fair to those who are not mathematically inclined.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of automatic arrests and jail time potentially worsening the drunk driving problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to deter drunk driving, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness of punishment versus treatment and the role of public awareness campaigns.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the effectiveness of different deterrent strategies and the societal implications of alcohol consumption, which remain unresolved.

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Drunk hits 10 cars in eight minutes
Address:http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8719071%255E13762,00.html Changed:8:25 PM on Friday, February 20, 2004

At least he wasn't speeding.
 
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So this drunk old dude hits 10 cars in 8 minutes over a 1 km distance, oy. So he was driving 7.5km/hr and hit a car every 75 seconds, firstly I didn't think you could even drive that slow and second I'm surprised he wasn't stopped when he hit the cars with such little speed. Anyway of course the crazy part is the statement given by the police that since he was driving so slow he hadn't endangered anyone, I have to call #$**^%it on that one. Of course he could have reved it and hit someone, or in his drunken state hit someone at 7.5km/hr not hurt them too badly bu then back over them a couple times to try to figure out what that weird thunking noise was.

Well kids I guess the lesson learned here is don't be a an old drunk dude. No that's not it, I mean don't hit cars because it's just plain wrong. No thanks not it either, I mean if you are going to be a old drunk dude and hit a wall do so at a speed not exceeding 7.5km/hr and do not hit more than 1 car every 75 seconds as you don't want to endanger anyone:wink: !
 
Originally posted by null
Well kids I guess the lesson learned here is don't be a an old drunk dude. No that's not it, I mean don't hit cars because it's just plain wrong. No thanks not it either, I mean if you are going to be a old drunk dude and hit a wall do so at a speed not exceeding 7.5km/hr and do not hit more than 1 car every 75 seconds as you don't want to endanger anyone:wink: !
The moral might also be that if you want to practise for your next demolition derby, try the streets of Finland.

I just find it nearly impossible to comrehend how anyone, no matter how drunk, could hit ten cars, and after each collision come to the same conclusion that it was somehow better to keep going. Thank God for the strategically placed brick wall, because it's clear he would never, otherwise, have stopped.
 
So what do you think is the best way to deter people from driving drunk? Do you crack down, lowering the legal limit of blood alcohol levels and dole out harsher punishments or do you loosen laws and provide treatment to offenders?

Check out how various countries punish drunk drivers.
www.drinkingdriving.net[/URL]

It seems that having a policy of automatic arrest and jail time might actually worsen the problem.

[PLAIN]www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/specials/crimeandpunishment/story.html?id=30F27A5B-2220-4A27-B189-B5B1F04B45F0[/URL]

Certainly increasing the chances of a person getting caught will help, but as far as punishment goes I don't think people will ever discontinue stupid behavior out of fear of the consequences, if they are dumb enough to drive drunk in the first place then they obviously aren't going to sit down and think about the possible consequences of their actions. What's your solution?
 
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Originally posted by null So what do you think is the best way to deter people from driving drunk?
I read somewhere that the first car accident on record happened when the only two people in one particular town somewhere who were well off enough to afford the then astronomically expensive machines had a head on collision on a small country road while they both happened to be out enjoying a Sunday drive after having gotten totally plastered.

Personally, I have never understood why the ongoing campaign against smoking that started twenty years ago, and which seems to have effectively made smoking into an "uncool" thing to do, wasn't directed against drinking instead. A campaign like this directed at up and coming gnerations is the only thing I can think of that might put a sizable dent in the percentage of drinkers, and hence, drunk drivers.
 
Originally posted by zoobyshoe - Personally, I have never understood why the ongoing campaign against smoking that started twenty years ago, and which seems to have effectively made smoking into an "uncool" thing to do, wasn't directed against drinking instead.
I know what you're saying. A mass awareness campaign like the one for cigarette smoking couldn't hurt, but probably because "occasional" drinking isn't harmful, IMHO, and may in fact have some small health benefits, it hasn't been done. I know many people that have a glass of wine with dinner, and that's it. Or an occasional aperitif. A glass of champagne to toast a special celebration.

The problem is that there are those that can't stop once they start.

America tried prohibition, that was a miserable failure.

There was a ban on alcohol advertising on tv in the US for many years.

MADD provides alcohol education to teens in school.
 
Originally posted by null
So what do you think is the best way to deter people from driving drunk? Do you crack down, lowering the legal limit of blood alcohol levels and dole out harsher punishments or do you loosen laws and provide treatment to offenders?

Create a very complex system for starting the car that would take >10 minutes and involves highly complicated mathematical equations. It should work unless the drunk can computate while under the influence.
 
Originally posted by motai
Create a very complex system for starting the car that would take >10 minutes and involves highly complicated mathematical equations. It should work unless the drunk can computate while under the influence.

This might not be fair for the mathematically challenged. I guess I'd have time to work on my calculus while taking the bus
 
It would also keep thieves from stealing your car... unless that thief knows high level mathematics
 

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