Will Kerry's Victory Mean No Hillary Until 2012?

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The discussion revolves around the potential implications of John Kerry winning the presidency in the 2004 election, particularly regarding Hillary Clinton's political future and the broader political landscape. Participants explore various scenarios involving party dynamics, candidate qualifications, and electoral strategies.

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  • Political strategy

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a Kerry victory could mean no Hillary Clinton in the presidential race until 2012, or possibly ever.
  • Others argue that Hillary Clinton is at least as qualified as George Bush to be president, citing her accomplishments compared to his.
  • A participant expresses a willingness to vote for Kerry while hoping for a Republican leader in 2008, indicating a strategic approach to voting.
  • Concerns are raised about the consequences of having a Republican president and Congress simultaneously, with claims that Democrat presidents have historically contributed to economic growth and national defense.
  • There is a challenge regarding the effectiveness of past Democratic presidents, specifically mentioning Jimmy Carter as a counterpoint.
  • Some participants question whether Hillary Clinton has the necessary appeal or "it" factor to win the presidency, despite her credentials.
  • Speculation arises about potential candidates for the 2008 election, including Colin Powell and a hypothetical Bush/Rice ticket.
  • A later reply suggests that while Clinton may be divisive, her strong support base could translate into significant campaign funding, which is crucial for winning elections.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the implications of a Kerry victory and Hillary Clinton's viability as a candidate, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus on the best political strategy or candidate qualifications.

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Participants' arguments depend on subjective interpretations of candidate qualifications, political strategies, and historical performance, which may vary widely based on personal beliefs and political affiliations.

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If Kerry wins...

that will mean no Hillary until 2012, or ever.
Hrrrmm, Bush now, and probably Hillary later. Or Kerry now, and hope for a good Republican in 2008. HRrmmmm...
 
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Is this an idiotic "we hate Hillary" thread, or do you have a point? I'm guessing you have some sort of point, silly though it may be, so get to it already. Senator Clinton is at least as qualified as Bush to be president, after all, the difference being that she has actually succeeded at a thing or two without her daddy buying it for her.
 
Originally posted by Zero
Is this an idiotic "we hate Hillary" thread, or do you have a point? I'm guessing you have some sort of point, silly though it may be, so get to it already. Senator Clinton is at least as qualified as Bush to be president, after all, the difference being that she has actually succeeded at a thing or two without her daddy buying it for her.

Simply a thought. Perhaps I would vote for Kerry, Vote for right winged congress, and hope it's enough push for a GOP leader in 2008. My point is, is 4 more years of Bush worth the trade off of Mrs. Clinton (whose policies, as you already know, I despise far more than I do Mr. Kerry's)
Just meandering about. A little mindless political strategy rambling :wink:Perhaps some republican congressman are thinking the same thing right now.
 
You don't want a Repugnican president and Congress at the same time...look at the sorry state the country is in right now, if you want proof of that. Democrat presidents have always been responsible for economic growth and national defense in this country. Why would you want four more years of a lifelong failure?
 
Democrat presidents have always been responsible for economic growth and national defense in this country
Are we talking about President Carter here?
 
Originally posted by Zero
You don't want a Repugnican president and Congress at the same time...look at the sorry state the country is in right now, if you want proof of that. Democrat presidents have always been responsible for economic growth and national defense in this country. Why would you want four more years of a lifelong failure?

No, I don't. I want a fiscally conservative president and congress.
 
Originally posted by phatmonky
No, I don't. I want a fiscally conservative president and congress.
That would require voting for another Clinton, frankly.
 
Originally posted by GENIERE
Are we talking about President Carter here?
Everyone BUT Carter, actually, but Carter is an interesting case to look at, because he was probably one of the best human beings to ever serve as president...and we see where that got him.
 
Does Hilary actually stand a chance if she runs?? I find that quite hard to believe even though she may have good credentials. If a woman was to be president, I don't think she has the "it" factor to pull it off.
 
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Originally posted by Shahil
Does Hilary actually stand a chance if she runs?? I find that quite hard to believe even though she may have good credentials. If a woman was to be president, I don't think she has the "it" factor to pull it off.

If Bush wins 2004, she's a shoe in for 2008, unless Colin Powell runs. Then he'd end up taking all of the moderate vote and the black vote that the dems traditionally count on.

Another option, wacky as can be, would be a Bush/Rice ticket. Then let condolezza and hillary run off in 2008.

I would still like to see Mr. Powell as president.
 
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Originally posted by Shahil
Does Hilary actually stand a chance if she runs?? I find that quite hard to believe even though she may have good credentials. If a woman was to be president, I don't think she has the "it" factor to pull it off.
Yes, she has a very good chance. Though she may be the most divisive candidate in history, those who like her like her a lot. That equals money and money is a lot of how you win the presidency. [/cynicism]
 

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