How Can Trigonometry Determine the Path of Light in a Complex Geometric Diagram?

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The discussion revolves around using trigonometry to determine the path of light in a geometric diagram involving a rectangle and a right-angled triangle. Participants explore how to calculate the reflection point of a light beam originating from one corner of the diagram and reflecting to another corner, given the lengths of the sides of the quadrangle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a geometric setup involving a rectangle and a right triangle, seeking help to calculate the path length of a light beam reflecting within this configuration.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the geometric arrangement but expresses uncertainty about the original question.
  • A later reply suggests reflecting the endpoint of the light beam to simplify the problem, proposing the use of the Pythagorean Theorem to find the path length.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that the angle at the reflection point is 90 degrees, questioning the validity of the proposed solution and suggesting that further clarification or sketches may be needed.
  • In a subsequent post, one participant expresses gratitude for the insights gained and indicates a clearer understanding of the problem, while noting the need to determine specific lengths to finalize the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method of determining the reflection point, as there are differing interpretations of the geometric setup and the assumptions made regarding angles and lengths.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific positions of points and the angles involved in the reflection, which may affect the calculations proposed by participants.

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OK, my current project is one involving some wuite complex acoustics, all of which I'm starting to grasp but am stumped by seemingly simple trigonometry!? Perhaps someone can help me?...

Draw a rectangle (longest sides top and bottom) with a right-angled triangle underneath it (longest side touching the rectangle (same length) and the other side on the right). Now if there were a beam of light, say, originating at the bottom left hand corner of this diagram aimed to the top line and reflected back so that it ends up at the bottom right-hand point, given that the lengths of all sidse of this quadrangle are known, how can one figure out this path length?

At first I thought I needed more information; but because the angle of incidence = the angle of reflection, there can be only one point where the beam is reflected in order for it's origin and ultimate points to be as given, therefore I assume there is a way of calculating where that point is, and using that, the path length required.

This has been boggling mr for a while so any help is greatly appreciated :D

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So you have something that looks like this?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

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Something more like this but with a hypotenuse between A and B. The path I'm trying to figure out is A to B via C when C is only positioned by the laws of reflection and I have no actual figures determining where it is? Does this make more sense? :D

Sorry, the thread doesn't seem to like my picture, I'll try and attach, stand by
 
Ok, quick paint sketch may sort this out...
 

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Sure, that can be done.

Let's reflect the ending point (call it B, and the beginning point A) about the line x. Now the line connecting A and B is straight, so we have a right triangle. The vertical side has length z + y, and the horizontal side has length x. The Pythagorean Theorem does the rest.

cookiemonster
 
forgive me, but I do not understand your solution...the angle at the reflection point (where a and b coincide with line x) is not necessarily 90 degrees as it looks. Are you assuming the the point of reflection is half-way along line x thus enabling a tringle of (z+y, a+b (hypotenuse), x)? Perhaps another sketch may help me?
 
How about this.

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Thanks so much! I knew the answer was staring at me, but I guess my brain's been fuddled too much to actually see it! lol Thanks again, I see the derivation now - much appreciated :D You truly are the Cookie Monster ;-)

All I got to do know is get a and b's individual lengths and I'm home free!
 
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