What determines the energy level of electrons in an atom?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the factors determining the energy levels of electrons in an atom, including the relationship between electron shells and their distance from the nucleus. Participants explore concepts related to energy levels, potential and kinetic energy, and the implications for photon emission during electron transitions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention conflicting information regarding whether higher energy level electrons are further from or closer to the nucleus.
  • One participant notes that the mechanical energy of the electron remains constant, while its potential and kinetic energies change based on proximity to the nucleus.
  • Another participant asserts that higher shells correspond to higher energy levels, suggesting that energy is released as a photon when an electron transitions from a higher to a lower shell.
  • A question is raised about the terminology used to describe electron shells, specifically whether shells closer to the nucleus are considered higher or lower shells.
  • Some participants argue that it is not entirely accurate to describe electron positions in terms of distance from the nucleus, emphasizing the distinction between energy levels and ionization energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the definitions of higher and lower shells, as well as the relationship between electron distance from the nucleus and energy levels. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of energy levels and ionization energy, as well as the assumptions made about electron positioning in atomic models.

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i searched the web for the energy level of electrons and i found out two figures. in one it said the the higher energy level electrons are further away from the nuclie and in the other one it said the higher energy level electrons are closer to nucli.

i wanted to know which one is the right answer.

for example does the electron in Na move to third shell and then back to second to make a light wave or does it go to the first shell and then back to second shell to make a light wave?

i would apriciate your comants
 
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The mechanical energy of the electron doesn't change, does it? It's its potential and kinetic energies that change. The closer the electron is to the nuclei, the more potential energy it has and the less kinetic energy it has (and vice versa).
 
Higher shells have more energy. That's how a photon can pop out when an electron falls from a higher shell to a lower one. The photon's energy has to come from somewhere.

As for the kinetic energies of electrons, that's a tricky subject...

cookiemonster
 
The shells that are closer to the nuclei, are they called higher shells or lower shells?
 
I've never seen shells closer to the nucleus referred to as higher shells. How's n = 1 higher than n = 2?

cookiemonster
 
Well it's not really accurate to talk about electrons being, closer/further away from the nucleus, but if we ignore this and stick to the solar system model of the atom I think what has you confused is the difference between ionization energy and energy levels. The closer a bound electron is to a nucleus the lower it's energy level, but the higher it's ionization energy is.
 

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