Solving Inequality |x-3|>=|x|-|3|: Real Values & f(x)=x^2/(1-x^2)

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The discussion centers around the inequality |x-3| >= |x|-|3| and its validity for all real numbers x. Additionally, participants explore the implications of the function f(x) = (x^2)/(1-x^2) and the conditions under which it is defined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to show that the inequality |x-3| >= |x|-|3| holds for any real x.
  • Another participant proposes squaring both sides of the inequality to derive a condition, concluding that x <= |x| is true for every real number.
  • Some participants suggest that the function f(x) is not defined for x^2 = 1, indicating that this leads to no real solutions.
  • One participant offers an alternative approach by considering cases based on the values of x, particularly for x >= 3 and other ranges.
  • Another participant critiques a previous argument, noting that raising both sides of an inequality to a power is not a reversible operation, which could lead to incorrect conclusions.
  • One participant mentions the triangle inequality as a simpler method to prove the inequality |x| <= |3| + |x-3|.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for proving the inequality, with some supporting the squaring approach while others caution against it. There is no consensus on a single method or conclusion regarding the inequality or the function's domain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of certain mathematical operations, particularly the non-reversibility of squaring in the context of inequalities. The discussion also reflects the complexity of handling absolute values and the need for case analysis.

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How do i show that the inequality
|x-3| >= |x|-|3| holds for any x contained in R (real values).


and in the function f(x) = (x^2)/(1-x^2) would it be correct to say that x^2 cannot be equal to 1 because that would cause the function to have no real solution?
 
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Originally posted by cipher
How do i show that the inequality
|x-3| >= |x|-|3| holds for any x contained in R (real values).
Raise both sides of the 'equation' to the power of 2:
[tex](x - 3)^2 \geq x^2 - 2|x||3| + 9[/tex]
[tex]x^2 - 6x + 9 \geq x^2 - 2|x||3| + 9[/tex]
[tex]-6x \geq -6|x|[/tex]
[tex]x \leq |x|[/tex]
True for every real number.

Originally posted by cipher
and in the function f(x) = (x^2)/(1-x^2) would it be correct to say that x^2 cannot be equal to 1 because that would cause the function to have no real solution?
You can say that the function f(x) is not defined for [tex]x^2 = 1[/tex]. x can have whatever value you, but the function won't be defined at these points.
 
Altenatively,

|x-3| = x-3

if x>=3

when |x|-3 = x-3 also, so it's true for x>=3,

if you consider 3>x>0 , and 0>x you can work out those cases.

Of course, neither Chen's nor my proof works for complex numbers. You might want to look up things like the triangle inequality to see why

| |x|-|y|| <= |x-y| <= |x|+|y|

for complex numbers too.
 
*cringe*


Actually, Chen made a common mistake. Starting from [itex]|x-3| \geq |x| - 3[/itex], he correctly deduced that [itex]x \leq |x|[/itex]. However the steps don't work in the reverse order. (In particular, "raising both sides to the power of 2" isn't a reversible operation)


You can kinda reverse it via the deduction:

if [itex]a^2 \geq b^2[/itex] then [itex]|a| \geq |b|[/itex]. (which you may or may not need to prove before your teacher let's you use it)


In general, though, the most straightforward way to solve this type of problem is to split the domain into several cases. Since you have [itex]|x|[/itex] and [itex]|x-3|[/itex] in your problem, you want to split the domain into three cases, one for each combination of [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]x-3[/itex] being positive or negative.


and in the function f(x) = (x^2)/(1-x^2) would it be correct to say that x^2 cannot be equal to 1 because that would cause the function to have no real solution?

It would be correct to say:

If x is in the domain of f, then x2 cannot be equal to 1.
 
However the steps don't work in the reverse order. (In particular, "raising both sides to the power of 2" isn't a reversible operation)

Or in other words, inequalities generally do not withstand non-monotonic operations on both sides. With monotonic operations the inequality remains intact (or the direction of the inequality simply reverses for the case of monotone decreasing), but non-monitonic functions "bust up" the inequality.
 
The simplest way of doing this is to prove the inequality |x|<=|3|+|x-3|, which follows from the standard triangle inequality
 

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