Understanding Algebraic K-theory through Quillen's Plus Construction

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and relationships of algebraic K-theory groups K_0, K_1, and K_2 for a ring R, particularly focusing on how Quillen's plus construction relates to classical definitions. The scope includes theoretical aspects of algebraic K-theory and the challenges in understanding the agreement of definitions for K_2.

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  • One participant outlines the classical definitions of K_0, K_1, and K_2 for a ring R, referencing Grothendieck completion and Milnor's use of the Steinburg group.
  • Another participant questions the agreement of definitions for K_2, suggesting a potential fibration if GL(R) is discrete, but expressing uncertainty if GL(R) is treated as topological or a manifold.
  • Several participants reference Wikipedia and an online book that discusses spectral sequences as a method to prove the agreement of definitions, but one participant seeks a simpler proof that does not rely on spectral sequences.
  • A suggestion is made to consult Steve Gersten for further insights on the topic.
  • One participant indicates plans to spend time in the library to further investigate the matter.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the agreement of definitions for K_2, with no consensus reached on the existence of a simpler proof. Multiple viewpoints on the use of spectral sequences and the nature of GL(R) are present.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of GL(R) and the reliance on advanced concepts like spectral sequences, which some participants do not fully understand.

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The classical definitions of K_0, K_1, and K_2 for a ring R are

K_0(R)= Grothendieck completion of the set of isomorphism classes of finitely generated projective R-modules.

K_1(R)=GL(R)/E(R)=[GL(R)]^{ab}

For K_2, Milnor used the Steinburg St(R) group which maps onto E(R) and defined K_2(R) to be the kernel of this map. He proved that this is isomorphic to H_2(E(R),Z), which has a nice representation in terms of generators and relators of E(R) by Hopf's formula.

For the higher groups, Quillen used his plus construction and defined K(R)=K_0(R) x (BGL(R)+) and defined K_i(R)=pi_i(K(R)). So for i>0, K_i(R)=pi_i(BGL(R)+) since K_0 has no homotopy. For i=0, the definitions agree since K_0(R) is discrete and BGL(R)+ is path connected. For For i=1, the plus construction kills the homotopy of E(R), so the definitions agree.

I'm having trouble seeing how they agree for i=2. If GL(R) is discrete, I think there is a fibration that will give me the result, but if GL(R) is topological or a manifold, I don't how to show they are the same.
 
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do you know they are the same?
 
mathwonk said:
do you know they are the same?
If you believe wikipedia.
 
They're rigged so that they agree with the classical definitions. At the end of the wikipedia article they give a link to an online book. I've seen the book and they prove it via spectral sequences. I don't understand spectral sequences yet, so I was looking for an easier proof. Knudson's book The Homology of Linear Groups has an appendix with a quick sketch of algebraic k-theory. He comments that it's easy to see the two definitions agree, so I was hoping someone here had a more basic argument (ie, one that doesn't appeal to spectral sequences).
 
you might ask steve gersten, at utah.
 
I think I'll just some time in the library next week looking.
 

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