The Theory of Electrons: Unveiling Their Substructure and Mass Composition

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The discussion revolves around the nature of electrons, specifically whether they are point-like or composite particles, and the implications of their potential substructure. Participants explore theoretical frameworks regarding mass composition and the historical context of these ideas, referencing works by H.A. Lorentz.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that electrons are composite particles, suggesting a hypothesis that all particles are composites of potential mass and kinetic mass.
  • Another participant mentions the relationship between isotopes and their neutron counts, proposing that this may influence particle behavior.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about needing a specific book for their research, indicating a struggle with mathematical formulations related to the origin of mass.
  • There is a reference to Lorentz's belief in the electron as a point particle, contrasting with the composite hypothesis presented earlier.
  • Discussion includes historical recognition of Lorentz's contributions to electromagnetism and the implications of his work, despite later criticisms of its accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electrons, with some supporting the composite particle hypothesis while others reference Lorentz's perspective of electrons as point particles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of these competing models.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding mathematical formulations and the historical context of Lorentz's work. There is also mention of the dated nature of the mathematics in Lorentz's book, which may affect its relevance to current research.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, the historical development of theories regarding electrons, and the mathematical foundations of mass composition theories.

Antonio Lao
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In 1915, H.A. Lorentz published his works with the same title. I am not trying to plagiarize but to post the questions:

Is an electron a point or composite particle? Can the electron be shown to have a substructure? The answer is "yes" to both questions.

The hypothesis that is responsible for these answers is that all particles (fermions and bosons) are all composites.

If we theorize that there are two kinds of mass: the potential mass (H-) and the kinetic mass (H+), then all particles are composites of potential mass and kinetic mass.

A particle is a fermion if there are odd number of potential and odd number of kinetic mass in it. If these are even, then it is a boson.

The actual detectable experimental mass of the particle come about when the the number of p-mass and k-mass of each particle are not the same.

This is an alternative explanation for the mass of the W's and Z's particles in the electroweak theory which are k-mass.
 
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I actually have this book by Hendrik Lorentz but I didn't realize that this is what it says ! In any case both the Bose _ Einstein statistics and the Fermi-Dirac statistics merely point out that isotopes have either less or more neutrons while others don't. Maybe this accounts for the behaviour , since isotopes with uneven number of isotopes would tend to interact , while balanced atoms would not.
 
McQueen,

Thanks for information about the statistics. I refused to buy this book from Dover Publisher because it cost $55.00. I don't think I really need it to continue my research on the origin of mass but again maybe I do because I am now stuck on crucial mathematical formulation.

I think Lorentz believed the electron is a point particle.
 
Antonio
The book was actually sent to me be some Ducth friends , Hendrik Lorentz was Dutch . I was a bit afraid of reading it because the maths was a bit dated . But what I did learn was that the whole concept of EM being due to the electron and "possibly" it's spin , originated with this work. Lorentz was awarded , I think deservedly , even though his work was later proved to be a misconstruction , the Nobel Prize.
 
Lorentz shared with Zeeman the 1902 Nobel Prize in physics.

If the math in Lorentz's book is dated as you say it is then I don't need to worry about getting it.
 

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