What makes the current, is that the electric field around the electrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electric current, specifically what causes it and the role of electric and magnetic fields in the process. Participants explore concepts related to the movement of electrons in conductors, the necessity of a closed loop for current flow, and the behavior of electrons at the atomic level.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define current as the rate of flow of charge due to an electric potential difference.
  • There is a suggestion that the movement of electrons is driven by the electric potential difference created by a battery, with electrons attracted to the positive terminal.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a closed loop for current to flow, with explanations that without it, there would be a build-up of charge at the wire's end.
  • Some participants propose that electrons are pushed back around the loop after passing through the battery due to repulsion between like charges.
  • Questions are posed regarding the role of electric and magnetic fields in the context of current flow.
  • There is inquiry into whether electrons jump from atom to atom within a conductor when current is present, with references to valence electrons and atomic structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation regarding the mechanisms of current flow, the role of electric fields, and the behavior of electrons, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is not resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the behavior of electrons and the definitions of current and electric potential, which may not be universally accepted or fully explored in the discussion.

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What do you mean by what makes the current? Do you mean what is electric current? It's the movement of electrons in the conductor. A quick look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_(electricity)" tells you that. First line. To be fair, it does seem that you're asking a lot of questions which could be easily answered by a quick visit to Wiki, or looking it up in a book.As an afterthought, perhaps you meant why do the electrons move? It's because of the electric potential difference set up by the battery/cell/whatever, and so the electrons are attracted to the positive side of the battery.

Caution, though, conventional current flow is defined in the opposite direction as the flow of the electrons.
 
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Archduke said:
What do you mean by what makes the current? Do you mean what is electric current? It's the movement of electrons in the conductor. A quick look on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_(electricity)" tells you that. First line. To be fair, it does seem that you're asking a lot of questions which could be easily answered by a quick visit to Wiki, or looking it up in a book.


As an afterthought, perhaps you meant why do the electrons move? It's because of the electric potential difference set up by the battery/cell/whatever, and so the electrons are attracted to the positive side of the battery.

Caution, though, conventional current flow is defined in the opposite direction as the flow of the electrons.
And why there can't be electric current created without closed circular loop?
 
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Because then there would just be a build up on the end of the wire. Having a closed loop means the current can flow continuously. The electrons are attracted to the positive side of the battery, and then, once they have gone through the battery, the electrons are then push (similar charges repel) the electrons back round the closed loop again. (This is probably a very simplistic view, and it'll get picked to pieces, I'm sure; but it works for me to help visualise it)

Remember, current is the rate of flow of charge per unit time, so for a current to be maintained, the electrons need to be constantly moving - which can only be achieved by a closed loop (since there are only a finite amount of electrons in the wire).
 
Archduke said:
Because then there would just be a build up on the end of the wire. Having a closed loop means the current can flow continuously. The electrons are attracted to the positive side of the battery, and then, once they have gone through the battery, the electrons are then push (similar charges repel) the electrons back round the closed loop again. (This is probably a very simplistic view, and it'll get picked to pieces, I'm sure; but it works for me to help visualise it)

Remember, current is the rate of flow of charge per unit time, so for a current to be maintained, the electrons need to be constantly moving - which can only be achieved by a closed loop (since there are only a finite amount of electrons in the wire).
And what is the roll of the magnetic and electric field?
 
scientist91 said:
And what is the roll of the magnetic and electric field?

do you mean "curl" or do you mean "role"? or something completely different?
 
and are the electrons jumping from atom to atom in coductor with electric current inside?
 

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