Human Nature or Role Model Re-enactment?

baywax

Is destructive behavior and benefiting psychologically as well as materially from other people's misfortune a part of human nature or an endless chain of role models that have been passed down from generation to generation to us today?

Is our predisposition to compete (like in sports) and to step on heads to get to the top what people call "human nature" (ie: genetic) or is it a chain of role models that stretches back into primordial times that we follow today partially as a learned behavior or as a kind of "follow the leader" daze?

If you look at sports as a model, you can see that for every down turn one team has, the opposing team becomes elated. This is not cooperative behavior and it breeds a sometimes violent relationship between the members of the teams. Where do traditions like this come from? Its very similar when nations compete with their ideals and force their needs upon one another. Is war and competition an enactment of role models provided by coaches or leaders and the leader's fathers etc...? Or are these behaviors genetically programed and expressed because of natural selection?

loseyourname

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If you look at sports as a model, you can see that for every down turn one team has, the opposing team becomes elated. This is not cooperative behavior and it breeds a sometimes violent relationship between the members of the teams. Where do traditions like this come from? Its very similar when nations compete with their ideals and force their needs upon one another. Is war and competition an enactment of role models provided by coaches or leaders and the leader's fathers etc...? Or are these behaviors genetically programed and expressed because of natural selection?

It is cooperative behavior, only the cooperation is contained to an in-group at the expense of all others. It's a consistent pattern shown across all group action. I tilt toward an evolutionary explanation for this myself, but before I get into justifying that (which might take a while), I'd like to first point out a false dichotomy you've created between genetic and learned behavior. Behavior can be neither genetic nor learned. Conditions in the womb and early childhood nutrition, for instance, can affect a person's adult disposition and thus incline certain behavioral patterns.

baywax

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It is cooperative behavior, only the cooperation is contained to an in-group at the expense of all others. It's a consistent pattern shown across all group action. I tilt toward an evolutionary explanation for this myself, but before I get into justifying that (which might take a while), I'd like to first point out a false dichotomy you've created between genetic and learned behavior. Behavior can be neither genetic nor learned. Conditions in the womb and early childhood nutrition, for instance, can affect a person's adult disposition and thus incline certain behavioral patterns.

I'm positive there are nutritional and other environmental triggers that will determine certain gene expression. It has been noted in the case of iron deficiency for example (no link)

I do have a link here that shows violent behavior to be a learned behavior although you may not agree with "Science Daily" or the articles it carries.

Violence Is A Learned Behavior, Say Researchers At Wake Forest University

Science Daily — WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. - The strong association between exposure to violence and the use of violence by young adolescents illustrates that violence is a learned behavior, according to a new study, published by researchers at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center and included in the November issue of the Journal of Pediatrics.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1106061128.htm

Here's a definition of "behavior" from the University of San Diego (one of my fav universities)

** BEHAVIOR **

Behavior = an internally directed system of adaptive activities that ensure survival and reproduction.

- Experience and Inheritance (genetic factors) affect all behavior, so the innate vs. learned behavior controversy is somewhat artificial.

- Behaviors range along a continuum from those modified slightly by experience to those derived entirely from experience.

I. INNATE BEHAVIOR (Instinct) = behaviors appearing spontaneously (inherited via genetic information) serving to perform certain specific functions (e.g., Gull chicks peck at red spot on parent's bill to get food, chicks will also peck at artificial bills or even sticks with red spots

http://www.usd.edu/biol/faculty/swan...ith/lec16.html

What they seem to be saying is that behavior is a result of all experiences including what we experience as genetically determined organisms.

I have never understood what people mean when they say "human nature". I mean, isn't it the same "nature" as "fish nature", "goat nature", "insect nature" or "plant nature"? We're all part and parcel with nature.

baywax

Is "forgiveness" part of "human nature"? Is it a genetic trait or learned behavior.... learned from role models in one's sphere of influence?

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