Why do bridges have weight limits?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for weight limits on bridges, particularly in relation to the structural integrity and safety of bridges when subjected to heavy vehicles like trucks. Participants explore various factors influencing these limits, including design considerations, stress distribution, and the behavior of vehicles on bridges.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while bridges can support large amounts of weight, the presence of heavy trucks can lead to localized failures in structural members, which may not compromise the entire bridge but still pose risks.
  • Others argue that the distribution of weight across multiple vehicles on a bridge differs from that of a single heavy truck, which can cause significant stress and strain on specific points of the bridge.
  • One participant mentions the importance of considering shear strain and bending in bridge design, indicating that stress, rather than just weight, is a critical factor in potential structural failures.
  • Another point raised is that the design of many bridges includes discrete sections that limit the weight a single section must support, which could influence weight limit regulations.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the visibility of weight limit signs on larger bridges, questioning whether such limits are commonly posted or enforced.
  • There is a discussion about general guidelines for weight per tire on roads, with some participants noting that bridges may have stricter regulations despite being part of the same roadway system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the factors influencing weight limits on bridges, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the importance of stress and design considerations, while others question the visibility and enforcement of weight limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the behavior of vehicles on bridges and the structural design of bridges, but these assumptions remain unresolved and are subject to further exploration.

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Individuals interested in civil engineering, structural design, transportation safety, and those curious about the mechanics of bridge load-bearing may find this discussion relevant.

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You've probably seen pictures of bridges carrying rush-hour traffic, so obviously the bridges are designed to bear enormous weight. Yet, they have weight limits on trucks. Imagine - a truck hauling only maybe 1/50 of the total mass of the rush-hour traffic is supposed to be dangerous to the bridge.

How come?
 
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1.) What if 60 of them decided to cross at the same time?
2.) When there are 120 cars on the bridge, they are not all at the same point at the same time. They are spread over a distance. Think Bed of Nails.
 
yeah i also remmber there is a formula that state force appiled on an object also depends on the area applied.

think if 3 baby sit on a sofa it sank less at each section but compare to one adult. that totally squash the sofa at one section into ...

and that is simmilar to the truck, as it go over the briedge it can cause damage to the road surface.
 
outandbeyond2004 said:
... a truck hauling only maybe 1/50 of the total mass of the rush-hour traffic is supposed to be dangerous to the bridge.

How come?
Because it is not just the weight of the truck, but depending on the bridge design, the shear strain that it causes, or possibly the bending of the bridge (another type of strain), which induces a stress. It is usually the stress, not the force directly, that causes the material and structural failures.

I am not a civil engineer, however. This is stuff I picked up from my autocad, general engineering, and engineering ethics classes.
 
outandbeyond2004,
A heavy vehicle can cause a localized failure in one structural member without bringing down the whole bridge. Further, there is the issue of the stress on the pavement itself directly beneath the truck's tires. Also, the truck may not always be traveling in a straight path, which can induce a transverse stress on the bridge. The exposed structural members above the road surface, and the strength of the gaurd rails that protect them must be taken into account as well. I hope this helps. -Mike
 
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I would have thought that the tires on a typical truck - there are so many like 16 - spread the weight over a big area. However, apparently accidents like impact with guard rails have to be taken into consideration as well as bridge loading, as M.D. Sewell points out.
 
Not sure how much of a factor this is, but most bridges large enough to accommodate several trucks at once are constructed in descreet sections. Each section is only large enough for a single truck to occupy at one time, so the weight o fan individual truck is the deciding factor for how much load the bridge section must support, another truck of equal weight sitting on the next section over would be of little consequence.

Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a weight limit posted on large, long bridges like the one suggested by the original post (wherein a single ruck is only 1/50 of the total weight on the bridge). Can anyone think of a specific example of such a bridge having a posted weight-limit? Not saying I've never seen one, just that I don't recall seeing one; but I freely admit that my forgetter works far better than my rememberer.
 
Maybe my rememberer worked worse than my forgetter. I don't recall seeing signs for major bridges either. I am now regretting that I started this topic, but I will keep it open in any case a civil engineer jumps on this someday.
 
Typically there are guidelines to how much weight per inch of tire is permitted on the road in general and not limited to bridges alone. Obviously, the bridge that is not posted has the same restrictions that the road itself does. Although many bridges WILL have stricter rules. In my state, I believe the typical 18 wheeler is limited to 80,000 pounds. That is 40 tons. They are allowed 34,000 on the set of tandem/duals (a total of 8 tires) for the trailer, 34,000 on the set of tandem/duals on the tractor and 12,000 on the front tires on the tractor.

Some short bridges are actually shorter than the tractor/trailer, but they STILL usually rate them for X number of pounds per rig. I don't know why since a semi that is technically overloading the bridge will put less weight on it because the wheels are so spread out than for the rating of a short straight truck that is technically NOT overloading the bridge with all wheels on it at once.
 

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