Why is 10 the Standard Base Number in Mathematics?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why base 10 is commonly used in mathematics, exploring the historical, cultural, and practical reasons behind the choice of base systems. Participants consider various numeral systems and their implications, including the influence of human anatomy and historical practices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that base 10 may be linked to humans having ten fingers, while others note that this is not the only base used historically, citing the Babylonians' base 60 and the Mayans' base 20.
  • One participant emphasizes that any number greater than 1 can serve as a base for a positional system, and regardless of the base, the representation of the number will be "10" in that base.
  • Another participant mentions the Tlingit people's unique counting system, which is based on the spaces between fingers, suggesting that different cultures have developed various numeral systems based on their own experiences.
  • A historical reference is made to Greek astronomers who used a base 60 system expressed in their alphabetic system, illustrating the diversity of numeral systems across cultures.
  • Some participants humorously reflect on the implications of having different numbers of fingers and how that might affect mathematical representation.
  • A personal anecdote is shared about a math teacher who advocated for base 12 due to its divisibility, highlighting the subjective nature of base preferences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on why base 10 is standard, with multiple competing views and historical examples presented. The discussion remains open-ended, with various perspectives on the significance and implications of different base systems.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about numeral systems depend on cultural practices and definitions, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of different bases.

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Why is 10 a base number? Why not 4? Is it because we can count to 10 on our fingers? This sounds like a stupid question I know but it's been bugging me.
 
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Nobody knows the exact answer (probably because there is no exact answer), but that's probably about as good an answer as you'll get. It just kinda worked out that way.

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10 isn't the only one ever used; IIRC the Babylonians did everything base 60. :smile: 10 just happened to "win"
 
I can barely keep track of ten numbers, much less sixty. Multiplication would be absolute hell.

cookiemonster
 
otoh there are a lot more 1-digit numbers!
 
Those are usually the ones that give me trouble...

cookiemonster
 
I think the mayans used base 20.

Anyway, there are no "base numbers". Any number greater than 1 can be used as a base for a positional system.

And, no matter what number you choose for your base, the representation of that number in that base will be "10" (for instance, 2 in binary is "10"; 3 in base 3 is "10", etc).
 
ahrkron said:
I think the mayans used base 20.

Anyway, there are no "base numbers". Any number greater than 1 can be used as a base for a positional system.

And, no matter what number you choose for your base, the representation of that number in that base will be "10" (for instance, 2 in binary is "10"; 3 in base 3 is "10", etc).

The Tlingit people who lived along the Pacific coast of North America (Washington State and British Columbia) used sort of a "base 8" (there numeration system wasn't, strictly speaking, a "base" system) because they counted on the spaces between their fingers!
(As in- place index finger of right hand between thumb and index finger of left, say "1", place index finger of right hand between index and middle finger of left say "2", etc.)
 
The classic Greek astronomers had a neat system. They used the Babylonian base 60 but expressed the digits in their own traditional alphabetic system - α = 1, β = 2, and so on with specific combinations for digits above 10. You could probably simulate it by using Roman numerals for base 60 digits, from I to LIX plus zero.
 
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Not a stupid question at all.
becase we have 10 fingers.
 
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The question really should be "Why ten?" not "Why 10?".

Think about it. No matter what base we used, it would still be "10".

Njorl
 
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LOL! So true! So the alien with three fingers would say "I have 10 fingers too. 1+1 = 2 and 2+1 = 10."
 
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steersman said:
Why is 10 a base number? Why not 4? Is it because we can count to 10 on our fingers? This sounds like a stupid question I know but it's been bugging me.
Base 10 is for our daily computation...
You don't need to take such a "base" to heart. Modern computers use base 2(-8-16) to represent all the stuff. If you like, you can also define yourself base 3,4,5,6,7 etc. It is not a matter of choice but a matter of which you have to deal with standard and common rules.
 
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I wonder if the numbers of fingers on a primitive organism determines its future intelligence.
 
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I had a math teacher in seventh grade, she was from nah awlens, in case you are having trouble with that, it is vernacular for New Orleans. She had a great accent, and described 12 as the queen of the numbahs, because it was divisible by so many primes, and we spent a couple of days discussing bases, and how it would have been much better if we had 12 fingers, so we could have used base 12. All in this thick accent. She was a hoot, in her Lady Bird Johnson hairdo, and pastel suits, she was at least 70 years old then.
 
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