Does Sin(3x) = 3sinx have a provable limit at theta = 0?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression \(\lim_{\theta\rightarrow0}\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta}\) and whether it can be equated to \(3\sin{\theta}\) as \(\theta\) approaches zero. Participants explore the validity of certain mathematical steps and implications related to this limit, focusing on the nuances of trigonometric identities and limits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that \(\lim_{\theta\rightarrow0}\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta} = 3\) can be derived from known limits, specifically \(\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin{\theta}}{\theta} = 1\).
  • Another participant challenges the validity of dropping the limit in the expression \(\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta}=\frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta}\), indicating that this step is "iffy" and could lead to incorrect conclusions.
  • A participant acknowledges the previous point, accepting the concern about the "iffy" step and its implications for proving relationships between the sine functions.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange about the nature of the discussion, with participants commenting on the validity of statements made and the context of their agreement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of certain mathematical steps, particularly regarding the dropping of limits. There is no consensus on whether \(\sin(3\theta) = 3\sin(\theta)\) can be proven through the discussed limits.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of careful handling of limits and the conditions under which certain mathematical identities hold true. The implications of the "iffy" step are not fully resolved, leaving open questions about the validity of the conclusions drawn.

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This is a bizarre little proof that is probably wrong, but I want to know where
[tex]\lim_{\theta\rightarrow0}\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta} = 3[/tex]
This is provable quite easily, I don't think I need to do that atm...
well, we know that
[tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin{\theta}}{\theta} = 1[/tex]
So that would imply that
[tex]3\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin{\theta}}{\theta} = 3[/tex]
thus implying that
[tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta} = 3[/tex]
By substitution
[tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta} = \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta}[/tex]
(iffy step)
If you drop the limit on both sides...
[tex]\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta}=\frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta}[/tex]
Which oh so quickly becomes
[tex]\sin{3\theta}=3\sin{\theta}[/tex]
 
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Wooh said:
[tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta} = \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} \frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta}[/tex]
(iffy step)
If you drop the limit on both sides...
[tex]\frac{\sin{3\theta}}{\theta}=\frac{3\sin{\theta}}{\theta}[/tex]
Which oh so quickly becomes
[tex]\sin{3\theta}=3\sin{\theta}[/tex]


Yes, that step is "iffy". With it, I can "prove" that sin(3θ) equals any function with the same limit as θ approaches zero. The step is invalid for the same reason that it is invalid to conclude that sin(3θ)=sin(θ) just because those two functions happen to be equal at θ=0.

edit: fixed quote bracket
 
Ok, cool, I can accept that. :)
 
Sure, for certain values of theta.

cookiemonster

Edit: What Tom said.
 
cookiemonster said:
Sure, for certain values of theta.

cookiemonster

Edit: What Tom said.
smartass :-p
 
Hey now, I was just saying the same thing Tom was. ;)

And getting to be a smartass is a privilege of being young!

cookiemonster
 

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