Clarke's Allegations Against Bush Admin: Confirmation and New Evidence

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The discussion centers on allegations made by Richard Clarke against the Bush administration regarding its handling of terrorism and the lead-up to the Iraq War. Participants explore themes of deception, intelligence manipulation, and the prioritization of military action over counter-terrorism efforts. The conversation includes references to various media sources and personal opinions on the credibility of the administration's actions and statements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Paul Krugman's opinion piece linking Clarke's allegations to broader themes of deception within the Bush administration, citing various sources as evidence.
  • Others assert that Clarke's claims are widely accepted as truth, particularly among those not aligned with right-wing perspectives.
  • There are claims that intelligence was manipulated to support the invasion of Iraq, with credible officials being replaced by individuals who aligned with neo-conservative views.
  • One participant describes the administration's communication style as using "exclamation marks instead of question marks," suggesting a lack of critical inquiry.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of Clarke and the implications of his warnings regarding terrorism and the administration's focus on Iraq.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the notion that the Bush administration's actions regarding terrorism and Iraq were problematic, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the allegations or the implications of Clarke's claims. Multiple competing views remain regarding the credibility of the administration and the interpretation of events.

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Participants reference various media sources and opinions, indicating a reliance on external information that may not be universally accepted or verified. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions about the motivations and actions of the Bush administration.

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In the Tuesday, March 30 2004 NY Times, Paul Krugman writes “… an opinion piece in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz about the killing of Sheik Ahmed Yassan said “This isn’t America; the government did not invent intelligence material nor exaggerate the description of the threat to justify their attack.” So even in Israel, George Bush’s America has become a byword for deception and abuse of power.” He cites Bob Woodward’s ‘Bush at War’ as a confirmation of Clark’s allegations that the Bush admin dropped the ball. He adds that new evidence keeps emerging such as yesterdays USA TODAY: “In 2002, troops from Fifth Special Forces Group …middle east specialists…pulled out of hunt for Osama… to prepare for …Iraq. Krugman writes “In his new book ‘Worse than Watergate’ John Dean of Watergate fame, says “I’ve been watching the elements fall into place for two possible catastrophes, one that will take the air out of the Bush-Cheney balloon and the other, far more disquieting, that will take the air out of democracy”. “

A point Fred Kaplan makes in regards to the Bush admin disregard for the importance of vigilance against terrorism to wit Rand Beers, the official who succeeded Clarke after he left the White House in February 2003, resigned in protest just one month later—five days before the Iraqi war started—for precisely the same reason that Clarke quit. In June, he told the Washington Post, "The administration wasn't matching its deeds to its words in the war on terror. They're making us less secure, not more." And: "The difficult, long-term issues both at home and abroad have been avoided, neglected or shortchanged, and generally under funded.

Finally, Sunday on Meet the Press Richard Clarke produced a letter from the Prez glowing with praise and admiration.


Some links that throws doubt on Rice's crediblity.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/26/translator/

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/0311/attachment1.htm

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j070802.html

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37826

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0304/032404c1.htm

http://www.axcessnews.com/national_032804a.shtml
 
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Everyone sort of knows that Clarke is telling the truth, in general...seriously, it is plainly obvious that the gist of it is basically common knowledge, confirmed by ever non-rightwing apologist.
 
Of course Zero still believes that Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

:redface:
 
Janitor said:
Of course Zero still believes that Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

:redface:
No, we know he did, and we know that Bush wasn't focused on terrorism, and that Bush wanted to invade Iraq and used 9-11 as an excuse.
 
We also know...

that intelligence was suppressed-if it didn't agree with the notion to pre-empt Iraq and distorted - generalized to the point of becoming false. The courious thing is that credible, competent people were removed from vital agencies and groups in the defense-intelligence community and replaced with neo-cons who provided many of the reports and assesments used to decieve congress and the American populace.

links- from thread bad political influence

http://www.salon.com/opinion/featur.../10/osp_moveon/

http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9917
 
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The way that it has been described is this: ""They used exclamation marks instead of question marks."
 
Zero said:
The way that it has been described is this: ""They used exclamation marks instead of question marks."
It's despicable to me how they tried to tar and feather Clarke as making it all up, when clearly Bush did not attack Bin Laden until it was too late. They seem to have calmed down a bit on it, because they know it goes nowhere. They use the terror attacks as an excuse for everything, then attack the guy who points out that they could've stopped it. Pretty sad.
 

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