Why is Bush-Cheney testifying together in closed session?

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The discussion revolves around the decision for former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney to testify together in a closed session regarding the 9/11 commission. Participants express various opinions on the implications of this arrangement, including speculation about Bush's capabilities and the dynamics of their relationship during the testimony.

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  • Some participants suggest that Cheney's presence is to coach Bush during the testimony, implying that Bush may need assistance with recall and response.
  • Others find it humorous or odd that Bush requires a "handler" like Cheney to testify, with some using metaphors to describe their relationship.
  • A few participants draw comparisons to former President Bill Clinton's expected testimony, questioning the need for props to aid memory and recalling past events related to terrorism.
  • There are references to past events and criticisms of both Bush and Clinton regarding their handling of terrorism and national security, with some participants arguing about the effectiveness of their respective administrations.
  • Some express skepticism about the necessity of the closed session, questioning the transparency of the process.

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Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of Bush and Cheney testifying together, the necessity of such arrangements, and the effectiveness of their respective leaderships.

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Participants reference various historical events and the perceived effectiveness of past administrations in handling terrorism, indicating a complex interplay of opinions and interpretations without resolving the underlying disagreements.

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Its odd (at least to me) that Bush-Cheney will testify together, here's what appears to be the reason, IMO, Bush isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch so Cheney is there to coach him. How you may ask? Let's see - tone of voice, inflection, leading questions, gestures and perhaps in other ways. That is also the reason why it's going to be in closed session so the public won't see the prompts Cheney gives Bush. :-p
 
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I think it is funny and odd the Bush can't testify without a handler present.
 
Zero said:
I think it is funny and odd the Bush can't testify without a handler present.
Bush is a muppet sitting on Cheney's lap
 
Oh, man. This is hilarious.
 
When are Clinton and Gore scheduled to testify before the 9-11 commission?
 
Robert-I believe that Clinton was having difficulty with recall and suggested that he would better be able to give testimony if he were given certain props to assist his memory. So, they are waiting until Monica is able to clear a spot on her calendar. :)
 
Kat-Well she couldn't clear a spot before, so I don't hold any hope she'll be able to do it now.
 
kat said:
Robert-I believe that Clinton was having difficulty with recall and suggested that he would better be able to give testimony if he were given certain props to assist his memory. So, they are waiting until Monica is able to clear a spot on her calendar. :)
Heck. Just give the man a cigar as a prop! :eek: :biggrin:

:biggrin: Give one to Robert Z., too. That was hysterical! :biggrin:
 
Robert Zaleski said:
When are Clinton and Gore scheduled to testify before the 9-11 commission?

When they asked Clinton about this he responded:
"I did not have sex with that women!"
 
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Zero said:
I think it is funny and odd the Bush can't testify without a handler present.

I thought it was even funnier, in a way, when after 911 Cheney was somwhere in a vault, and President Bush was in New York. I was actually glad to see Bush there since we needed a show of confidence I think, and this is one of the rare ocassions that he actually scored a few points with me, but it did strike me as funny that it seemed to imply who is and is not expendible.

Is there any reason given as to why they will testify together? This does seem a little odd to me as well.
 
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The only reasons I know of were given by comics...

Bush: "So when you frown that means I need to refresh my memory"
Cheney: "Right, now when I wiggle my little pinkie, you ..."
Bush: "I have to go to the bathroom."
 
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You can always recognize how pathetically desparate the conservatives are when they bring up Monica Lewinski. Frankly, having a retired porn star as president would be less humiliating than this testifying ventriloquist act. It is shameful. Our national leader is not a responsible adult. The truly frightening thing about it is that his handlers are more afraid of what he'd say if he was alone than they are of this fiasco.

Njorl
 
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Wonderful!

I'm loving the opinion on this thread.
Here, here Njorl!
 
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Wouldn't you like to know what was on Clinton and Gore's minds when the following events occurred:

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000,

The 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel,.

The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel

The 1998 bombing of U.S. embassy in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000

The 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors.

In 1996 the government of Sudan had Osama bin Laden in their custody and offered to hand him over to the United States. Bill Clinton and his cohorts elected not to take the Sudanese up on their offer. Why? Because they couldn't figure out a legal means of trying him.
 
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Robert,
I would love to know what Clinton and Gore thought about those matters. And if the commission asks them, I'm sure they will answer. I'm also quite certain Clinton will not need his vice-president to hold his hand while being questioned.


"The 1998 bombing of U.S. embassy in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000 "

You mean the bombings that were prevented from hitting the embassies themselves due to increased security awareness? The bombings that resulted principly in the deaths of innocent Africans because the terrorists could not get their truck-bombs to the targets?

You also left out the terrorist captured before he could bomb LAX airport. He was captured because interagency information sharing resulted in increased border security with Canada during the millenium. This sharing was due to Clinton and his people cracking the whip on terrorism's importance - something Bush failed to do.

Yes, it took Clinton a while to learn the importance of terrorism. It didn't take Bush long at all to forget it.

Njorl
 
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Actually, Cheney doesn't seem to be too quick either, mabye they're just going in together cause they're two confused, scared, and helpless individuals? :confused:

Well, I like to think that anyway, makes me feel better :eek:
 
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Just a little follow up.

from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/09/politics/09CLIN.html

Mr. Clinton met "in closed private session" on Thursday afternoon with all 10 members of the bipartisan commission at its request, the panel said in a terse statement issued after it was all over. The encounter, in an anonymous government office building off the Mall, lasted about four hours, and the commission said it "found the former president forthcoming and responsive to its questions.
"

No hand holding, no ridiculous time limit.

Njorl
 
  • #18
How could Bush pull off his post-9/11 speech yet now need a security-advisor blanket?
 
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Loren Booda said:
How could Bush pull off his post-9/11 speech yet now need a security-advisor blanket?
You don't get a Teleprompter to testify.
 

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