Correct series-or-parallel-or-off switch wiring?

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The discussion revolves around the wiring of a DPDT toggle switch to control two identical resistance heaters, allowing them to operate in series or parallel configurations, as well as an off position. Participants express concerns about the correctness and safety of the proposed wiring scheme, particularly in the context of handling 120VAC power.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a wiring scheme for a DPDT toggle switch, detailing how current would flow through the heaters in different switch positions.
  • Another participant agrees with the wiring scheme but emphasizes the importance of grounding exposed metal parts of the switch for safety.
  • Concerns are raised about the left heater remaining hot when the switch is in the off position, posing a safety risk for anyone servicing the equipment.
  • A participant questions whether there is an alternative wiring scheme that avoids the issue of having a hot heater when off.
  • Another participant suggests that a single switch may not suffice to address the safety concern without additional components, such as relays or a special switch configuration.
  • One participant shares a personal experience regarding a similar wiring situation in an oven, suggesting that such configurations might be permissible in practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and practicality of the proposed wiring scheme. While some agree on the correctness of the wiring, there is no consensus on its safety implications or whether it would be allowed in practice.

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Participants highlight potential safety concerns related to having a hot heater when the switch is off, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific electrical codes or regulations that are not fully explored.

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Is this a correct way to wire a DPDT toggle switch so that you can run current through two identical resistance heaters either in parallel or in series (or not at all, so that you have off/half/full power)?

Code:
   +---------------------------+
   |                           |
   |                     +-----|----------------------+
   |                     |     |                      |
   |                  + -|- - -|- +                   |
   |                  |  |     |  |                   |
   |                     *     *                      |
   |                  |           |                   |
   +----/\/\/\/\/\/------*     *-------/\/\/\/\/\/----+
   |                  |           |                   |
   |                     *-----*                      |
   |                  |           |                   |
   |                  + - - - - - +                   |
   |                                                  |
   |                                                  |
   |                                                  |

  Hot                                              Neutral

The idea is that when the switch is in the down position, current flows through the left heater, down the left half of the switch, across the jumper, up the right side, and through the other heater. (And the other way for the other half of the AC cycle.)

When the switch is in the up position, current flows through the left heater, up the left half of the switch, to neutral AND (in parallel) down the right side of the switch and through the right heater to neutral.

With the switch in the middle, nothing flows and that's the OFF position.

I'm concerned about safety as well as correctness here, because it will be handling 120VAC power.

For example, is there a rule about polarity for a toggle switch, such that the center connections should be neutral to avoid making the switch live, or anything like that?

(It's not a homework question, BTW; it's more of a "do I understand toggle switch wiring?" and "will this kill somebody?" kind of question.)

I realize that there's no need for the current to flow through both sides of the switch in the down position. (I suppose it might be just slightly better to use two diagonal jumpers from the center connections to the opposite-side bottom connections. That way current could flow through both sides in parallel, so that if one happened to fail, the other would still keep it working.)

Thanks for any advice.
 
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Looks right to me (nice ASCII drawing, BTW). As for safety, just be sure that the switch exposed metal parts are Earth grounded. How are the wire connections made to the switch? Are you using a light wall switch type with screw terminals on the back, or are you using a discrete-type switch where you have to solder the wires on the lugs on the back? If the latter, be sure to use heatshrink tubing to cover the soldered ends (remember to put on the heatshrink tubing onto the wires before soldering!).
 
berkeman said:
Looks right to me (nice ASCII drawing, BTW). As for safety, just be sure that the switch exposed metal parts are Earth grounded. How are the wire connections made to the switch? Are you using a light wall switch type with screw terminals on the back, or are you using a discrete-type switch where you have to solder the wires on the lugs on the back? If the latter, be sure to use heatshrink tubing to cover the soldered ends (remember to put on the heatshrink tubing onto the wires before soldering!).

Sorry for the very belated response... I thought I had notification enabled but I didn't...

I'm using a 20 amp DPDT toggle switch with quick connects, and using insulated crimp-on connectors crimped onto the wires and slid onto the connect tabs.

Thanks for the help!

Paul
 
It probably wouldn't be allowed in practice though. The left heater is hot when the switch is turned off - a danger to anyone servicing the equipment.
 
mgb_phys said:
It probably wouldn't be allowed in practice though. The left heater is hot when the switch is turned off - a danger to anyone servicing the equipment.

Good point. Which makes me wonder... is there an alternative series-or-parallel wiring scheme with a DPDT switch that would not have that problem?
 
Not with a single switch, that I can think of (without using an extra control circuit and relays).
You would either need a special 3 position switch or 2 switches (on/off plus low/high).
 
mgb_phys said:
It probably wouldn't be allowed in practice though. The left heater is hot when the switch is turned off - a danger to anyone servicing the equipment.

I recently had the back off of my oven and found that one leg of the 240 volt power cord is tied directly to the oven coil (lower). I see no reason why it would not be permitted.
 

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