Finding Time for Instaneous Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around determining the time for instantaneous acceleration when an object is dropped onto a hard surface, specifically focusing on the deceleration experienced upon impact. Participants explore concepts related to collisions and energy transfer, rather than providing a straightforward answer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to calculate the time for deceleration when an object is dropped onto a hard surface, questioning if there is a specific equation or technical term for this scenario.
  • Another participant asserts that 'instantaneous' acceleration is not a valid concept and suggests that principles of elastic or inelastic collisions may be more relevant.
  • A further contribution discusses the deformation of the object or the floor upon impact, proposing that kinetic energy can be equated to the work done to stop the object, leading to a formula involving acceleration and distance.
  • The same participant introduces the idea of using spring-like behavior to model the deceleration, although they note that this approach may not apply universally, as some objects are designed to crumple rather than behave elastically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of instantaneous acceleration and the appropriate methods for calculating deceleration upon impact. There is no consensus on a specific equation or approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to model the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for assumptions about deformation and material properties, as well as the applicability of different models (elastic vs. inelastic) depending on the specific objects involved.

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Hi, I'm trying to figure out delta T for instantaneous acceleration.

Here's my scenario (it's not homework, I'm trying to figure out acceleration tolerance for if something gets dropped.)

If something gets dropped onto something hard, like concrete or granite, how long would it take to decelerate? Is there an equation for that or is it something I'd get out of a table? Also, is there a technical term for what I'm searching for?
 
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Welcome to PF, Tony.
There's no such thing as 'instantaneous' acceleration (or negative acceleration, in your case). I think that what you need are the principles for elastic or inelastic collisions. I don't know anything about that, but it comes up a lot in the Engineering section.
 
When you drop something, either the object or the floor deforms, so it doesn't stop instantly.

A good way of approximating the acceleration is to figure out what happens to the kinetic energy of the falling object. By equating the energy of the falling object to the work needed to stop it, we can write:

acceleration * distance = (1/2) * velocity^2

the left term is the amount of work done by the deaccelerating force (per unit mass), and the right term is the energy of the falling object per unit mass.

So if you know the deformation, you can find the acceleration. To find the deformation we need other equations. The simplest one would be if the object being dropped acted like an elastic spring. In that case, we can write

(1/2)*spring constant * deformation^2 = stored energy = (1/2) * mass * velocity^2

But we can't always use this formula. For instance, cars and egg cartons are designed to deliberately crumple, rather than act like springs. In this case, though, the force needed to cause the crumpling is usually known.
 
thanks for the info
 

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