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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving optimization, specifically finding the area of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed in a right triangle with given leg lengths. Participants explore different approaches to set up the problem and derive expressions for the rectangle's dimensions.

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  • One participant describes their approach to the problem, defining variables for the rectangle's length (L) and width (W), and relating them to the triangle's geometry using trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant points out that the initial approach led to a trivially correct equation and suggests focusing on the expression for width to find the area of the rectangle.
  • A third participant introduces a variation of the problem, proposing a scenario where one side of the rectangle lies along the hypotenuse of the triangle.
  • A further response suggests setting up a coordinate system to express the hypotenuse and derive the area of the rectangle based on its dimensions in relation to the triangle.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple methods are proposed without resolution of which is preferable.

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Some participants note limitations in the initial setup, such as the back-substitution leading to a trivial equation, and the need to compute derivatives to find maximum area, but these aspects remain unresolved.

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Students working on optimization problems in geometry, particularly those involving inscribed shapes in triangles, may find this discussion relevant.

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This is homework (forgive me) but I don’t want an answer I would just like to know what I am doing wrong.

Here is the problem:

Find the area of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed in a right triangle with legs of lengths 3cm and 4cm if tow dies of the rectangle lie along the legs.

Here is what I did

L = length of rectangle
W = width
Theta = angle 4 leg of the right triangle

I’m trying to optimize W*L where :
W < 3
L < 4

These are the equations I got:
Tan(theta) = w/(4-L)
Tan(theta) = (3-W)/L
Tan(theta) = 3/4

W = [itex]3(4-L)/4[/itex]

so:

{3 - 3(4-L)/4}/ L = 3/4

and that is as far as this brain will take me...
 
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Basically, what you have done "wrong" is back-substituting, so that you end up with the trivially correct equation 3/4=3/4 .
You already have a perfectly good expression for the width, w=3(4-L)/4.
With this expression, what is the area of the rectangle?
How can you find the maximum of this area?
 
After you figure out that one, try this one.

Basically the same problem, but one side of the rectangle is on the hypotenuse of the triangle.
 
Set up a coordinate system with the right angle at, (4,0) thus the line representing the hypotenuse is given by y= 3x/4.

Let L and H be the sides of your rectangle. One corner must be on the line y(x) = 3x/4
one side will be L=4-x the other H=y

The area is A=L*H = (4-x)*y = (4-x)*3x/4

Compute [tex]\frac {dA} {dx}= 0[/tex]
 

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