The Speed of Light = Zero: Is This the Ultimate Limit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the speed of light, particularly the provocative idea that it could be considered zero relative to the universe. Participants explore implications of this notion within the framework of relativity, time dilation, and the nature of spacetime. The conversation includes theoretical perspectives, challenges to existing theories, and speculative ideas about dimensions and magnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Theoretical development

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light's speed could be considered zero relative to the universe, suggesting that in an unmeasured state, a photon has a speed of zero.
  • Others question whether this perspective offers any explanatory power or predictive capability compared to existing theories, particularly in relation to special relativity (SR).
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of time dilation and length contraction, with one participant suggesting that a photon could be viewed as having infinite mass that takes no time to traverse distances.
  • There are discussions about the nature of velocity when traveling close to the speed of light, including whether distances are warped or if velocity is purely relative.
  • Some participants introduce ideas about the relationship between the speed of light and dimensions in spacetime, suggesting that light's speed may be linked to the discovery of new dimensions rather than just travel.
  • Speculative equations involving magnetism and the speed of light are presented, though their meanings and implications remain unclear to some participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the implications of light's speed or the validity of the proposed theories. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of relativity and the nature of spacetime.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve unresolved mathematical steps and unclear definitions, particularly concerning the proposed equations related to magnetism and dimensions.

whitelighter
[SOLVED] The speed of light = Zero

What! you say...oh no! :biggrin:

Context context...

WE have a speed of light at approximately 300,000 kms per second in a vacuum...agreed? Yes I think so...hmmmmmm

Sr tells us that light travels at a speed that can not be exceeded and that to do so would reverse time...ok...what does this tell us...or should I say me.

It says to me that light is in fact traveling at a speed that is zero relative to the universe it travels within...therefore in it's unmeasured state it has a speed of zero.


A photon is positioned smack bang in the middle of time between the past and the future ( I am so glad we have a theory development section at this forum)
 
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whitelighter says: "It says to me that light is in fact traveling at a speed that is zero relative to the universe it travels within...therefore in it's unmeasured state it has a speed of zero...A photon is positioned smack bang in the middle of time between the past and the future"

Not to interrupt your fun or anything, but does your theory explain anything that existing theories don't already explain? Does it predict the result of any possible experiment? If not, what's its point?
 
jdavel said:
whitelighter says: "It says to me that light is in fact traveling at a speed that is zero relative to the universe it travels within...therefore in it's unmeasured state it has a speed of zero...A photon is positioned smack bang in the middle of time between the past and the future"

Not to interrupt your fun or anything, but does your theory explain anything that existing theories don't already explain? Does it predict the result of any possible experiment? If not, what's its point?

I think it is quite relevant.

If you accept time dilation, length contraction and mass increase then you have a photon of infinite mass that takes no time to cross the universe. Does that make its speed infinite? Does not fit well with thermodynamics though which states something like you don't get something for nothing.

This is one of the problems I find with SR. If you cross ten light years of space at almost c and it takes an hour what was your velocity? Is it ten light years per hour or have I warped space so that the distance is only a few million kilometers. Woops, sorry planet I didn't mean to crush you.
 
ramcg1 said:This is one of the problems I find with SR. If you cross ten light years of space at almost c and it takes an hour what was your velocity? Is it ten light years per hour or have I warped space so that the distance is only a few million kilometers. Woops, sorry planet I didn't mean to crush you.
Or is it relative?

Paden Roder
 
It says to me that light is in fact traveling at a speed that is zero relative to the universe it travels within...therefore in it's unmeasured state it has a speed of zero.

yes, i think that's right, you could say that the fabric of 4d spacetime is moving at c - in this way a photon is simply a 'drag' interaction between expanding spacetime and...?
 
My first post...

I tend to agree with Billy Boy and Whitelighter in that the way we look at relativity may in some ways be confused...we measure "c" after the effect...yet as 'c' is being measured we are moving at the same velocity as 'c'

I read some where a poster said
"in ten seconds a photon has traveled 3 million kms. In those same ten seconds we have observed the reflection of a hamburger cooking."

This simply states that 'c' is a universal relativistic zero constant and any velocity beyond stationary is added to 'c' which may account for time dillations etc.

This is theory development I would presume.
 
The speed of light directly supports how dementions there are in space time that's why when you time travel you go to a parallel universe. Speed of light is in increments of 8 the speed of light is only for finding new dementions not for traveling. Look up Quantum time port where time and space are the same place. Who cares about the speeed of light. Time is controlled by the speed of b = magnetism
 
b = magnetism

The speed of light directly supports how dementions there are in space time that's why when you time travel you go to a parallel universe. Speed of light is in increments of 8 the speed of light is only for finding new dementions not for traveling. Look up Quantum time port where time and space are the same place. Who cares about the speeed of light. Time is controlled by the speed of b = magnetism
 
and dare I ask what is the speed of magnetism?
 
  • #10
b= is a constant

it's in all directions B/c2 * x/d
 
  • #11
betalimit can you tell us what all the symbols of your equation indicate or mean?

I am curious?
B=
c2=
x=
d=
I assume the / = divided by and the * means multiplied by
 
  • #12
classified

classified R*T*d2 RTD2 hello quantium world

b= magnetic
c2 your speed of light
x solve for
dementions


half of a circle diameter
 
  • #13
so we have

magnetic/300,000ks per sec *2 * solve for/dimensions

hmmmmm

You have said that c = B

so B/B*2*...hmmmmm...something wrong here
 
  • #14
I canot tell you everything. Everything is possible we are now so advanced we can compute to infinet so go out side and injoy life once you find what you are looking for it not really what it is it's somthing else to fill the void it's called the code @ www.beyond-science.com
 
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