Solving Position Vector Problem: Find Acceleration with |f|^2 = 260 + 64 cos3t

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the position vector of a point on a fairground ride, specifically focusing on finding the acceleration and demonstrating that the squared magnitude of the force vector equals a specific expression. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation related to vector calculus and trigonometric identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the position vector and seeks assistance in finding the acceleration and verifying the expression for |f|^2.
  • Another participant questions the calculated value of |F|^2 and suggests a potential error involving a missing factor of 4 in the cosine term.
  • A subsequent reply indicates that the participant has corrected their earlier expression but still arrives at different answers for |f|^2, expressing uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant advises on the proper application of algebraic identities and highlights potential missing terms and a negative sign in the calculations, suggesting that the participant should also consider trigonometric identities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the correct expression for |f|^2 and the calculations involved. Uncertainty remains about the accuracy of the derived expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their calculations, including potential missing terms and the need to apply trigonometric identities correctly. There are unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the expression for |f|^2.

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I really need helpo with this question. I am having to revise over easter for the three week break and i need a solution to this. I have all the past exam papers but the lecturere doesn't have any past paper solutions and his lecture notes are vague. TO top it off i wondered if there were any good books with worked examples and questions?

Here is my problem.

At time t, the position vector of a point P, on a fairground ride is given by:

r(t) = (2cost + cos4t)i + (2sint + sin4t)j m

Find its acceleration, F, at time t. Show that:

|f|^2 = 260 + 64 cos3t m^2s^-4



Ok that's the problem.

Now i have managed to get the velocity by differentiation and then the acceleration which works out to be:

a(t) = (-2cost-16cos4t)i + (-2sint-16sin4t)j

But i can't then get this expression to work out to |f|^2 = 260 + 64 cos3t...


Can anyone help?
 
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What have you found |F|^2 to be? You're missing a 4 from inside the first cos in the post.
 
It is now corrected.

I got a couple of totally different asnwers to |f|^2 that i reckokn are really wrong.

4cos^2(t) - 256cos^2(4t) + 4sin^2(t) + 256sin^2(4t) Is one of my answers that i think looks halfway there...
 
I think you need to remember that (x+y)^2 = x^2+2xy+y^2 and not x^2+y^2, and that (-x)^2=x

because you're missing two terms in that answer and there's a minus sign, which could just be a typo.

Remember your trig identities too.
 

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