Transforms to acheive linearity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of transformations to achieve linearity in bivariate data, particularly focusing on the square root, reciprocal, and square transformations. Participants express confusion regarding when to apply these transformations and seek clarification on their meanings and implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion about the application of transformations to achieve linearity and requests assistance in understanding which transformations are appropriate for different types of relationships.
  • Another participant mentions that the book lists specific transformations but lacks clarity on their usage, particularly questioning the meaning of a square root transformation being used when the spread of observations increases with the mean.
  • A participant asks for clarification on the definitions of the transformations listed in the book, expressing difficulty in finding corresponding information in their own statistics texts.
  • One participant attempts to explain that a square root transformation is appropriate when the standard deviation increases as a function of the mean, but this explanation is met with further confusion about how standard deviation can depend on the mean within a single dataset.
  • Another participant reiterates their confusion regarding the relationship between standard deviation and mean, emphasizing their struggle to understand the concept being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification on the topic, indicating that there is no consensus on the application or understanding of the transformations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the clarity of the book's explanations and the definitions of transformations, which may depend on specific contexts or assumptions not fully explored in the discussion.

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I was reviewing some statitics and got a little confused with transformations to achieve linearity in bivariate data. The book is really vague and rather than trying to figure it out, I figure someone here will be able to help. I'm not so sure as to what transformations are best applied to which type of relationships and how to apply the transformations. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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No one wants to help? The book lists the square root transformation and the reciprocal transformation and the square transformation but does not say when they are used. For example, it says that a square root transformation is used when the spread of observations increases with the mean...what is that supposed to mean?
 
OK, help me understand a little better.

The book lists the square root transformation and the reciprocal transformation and the square transformation but does not say when they are used.

Looking through the indices of all 3 of my stats books, I find nothing by those names. Can you please type out those transformations, so that I can correlate them to the ones in my books?

For example, it says that a square root transformation is used when the spread of observations increases with the mean...what is that supposed to mean?

It means that you use that particular transformation when the standard deviation is an increasing function of the mean.
 
Tom Mattson said:
It means that you use that particular transformation when the standard deviation is an increasing function of the mean.

I don't really understand what you mean by that. I don't understand how the standard deviation can be a function of the mean in a single data set.
 
Moose352 said:
I don't really understand what you mean by that. I don't understand how the standard deviation can be a function of the mean in a single data set.

I'm just trying to go by what you said. The spread in the data is parametrized by the standard deviation.
 

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