If someone had listened to FBI agent

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential preventability of the 9/11 attacks, focusing on the role of FBI agent John O'Neil and the communication failures within intelligence agencies. Participants explore the implications of O'Neil's knowledge and the bureaucratic challenges that may have contributed to the tragedy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the information held by O'Neil and other agents had been properly communicated, the 9/11 attacks might have been prevented.
  • Others highlight O'Neil's significant findings, including the Phoenix memo and knowledge of hijackers taking flight lessons, which they argue were ignored by higher authorities.
  • A participant mentions the challenges of questioning O'Neil directly, as he died in the Twin Towers on 9/11, and questions whether the commission adequately addressed his contributions.
  • Some express concern over the bureaucratic failures within the FBI and the lack of action taken despite warnings about Al-Qaeda.
  • There are references to other whistleblowers and their efforts to bring attention to these failures, indicating a broader context of accountability issues within intelligence agencies.
  • One participant introduces the idea of conspiracy theories regarding potential hidden involvement of the Bush administration, suggesting that classified documents may obscure the truth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of communication within intelligence agencies and the implications of O'Neil's work. There is no consensus on whether the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented or the extent of responsibility among various parties.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific documents and interviews related to O'Neil's work, indicating that there may be limitations in the available information and differing interpretations of the events leading up to 9/11.

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John O'Neil could 911 have been prevented? The commission doesn't seem to have addressed Mr. O'Neil in their questioning.
 
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amp said:
John O'Neil could 911 have been prevented? The commission doesn't seem to have addressed Mr. O'Neil in their questioning.
I'm not sure who Mr. O'Neil is, but there were enough people in the FBI (and CIA) with enough information that if it had been combined, it could have prevented 911. Part of what makes 911 such a trajedy is that failure.
 
AMp,
Thanks for the link. I missed the program last night, and wanted to see it. It looks like they will let you view the whole thing on-line.
Njorl
 
De Nada Njorl, I must say I was appalled at what this man knew and how he was taken 'out of the loop'.
 
Did you see that show 2 years ago when it first aired? Excellent journalism, truly. O'Neil was working closely with Richard Clarke, and he was basically ignored even though he had the Phoenix memo which articulated that Al Qaida was planning to hit US landmarks with airplanes, and he also had the names of several of the hijackers, and knew that they were taking flight lessons in Minnesota. Too bad he was ignored eh?
 
amp said:
Russ, you will find an interview and program on and about Mr. O'Neil here:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/ titiled 'The Man Who Knew'
Thanks - I'll read it. The most prominent person I have heard of (again, I don't remember the name) is that woman who was head of a field office and after 911 wrote (and walked up) a letter to her chain of command - all the way up to Cogress - about the bureucratic failures of the FBI. She and two other women were Time's "people" of the year a couple of years ago - "the whistleblowers".
 
amp said:
John O'Neil could 911 have been prevented? The commission doesn't seem to have addressed Mr. O'Neil in their questioning.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'addressing Mr. O'Neil in their questioning'. Do you mean calling him before the commission and questioning him? I think that might be a problem... I believe his last position was Ass't Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism and National Security with the FBI at their New York Office, but it would be difficult to question him directly. He died on 9/11 in the Twin Towers. He had left the FBI in Aug 2001 (largely, it seems, because no one would listen to him about what he had found out about Al-Queda, etc.) and took a job as head of security of the WTC.

It's possible that the communication problems that are being discovered by the 911 Commission stems from his memos not being passed on to the proper people and/or memos from Arizona's and Minnesota's FBI (regarding recommendations to investigate local pilot training programs) not being passed to him. So, perhaps in this way, they actually are addressing this information. Or do you know for sure that this is not the case?

Very interesting site, BTW.
 
Tsunami said:
I'm not sure what you mean by 'addressing Mr. O'Neil in their questioning'. Do you mean calling him before the commission and questioning him? I think that might be a problem... I believe his last position was Ass't Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism and National Security with the FBI at their New York Office, but it would be difficult to question him directly. He died on 9/11 in the Twin Towers. He had left the FBI in Aug 2001 (largely, it seems, because no one would listen to him about what he had found out about Al-Queda, etc.) and took a job as head of security of the WTC.

I believe he meant that the topic of John O' Neill wasn't addressed. Since O' Neill has been researching Al Qeada and Bin Laden ever since.

And he died in the twin towers..a hero
 
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Thanks Professional that's exactly what I meant. BUT WAIT THERES MORE! If I can find the site again.

Maybe here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ or this:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html <---<< what is talked about in this report is one reason I give credence to conspircy theorist who first touted that there was/is some hidden involvement of the Bush admin. Classifying a note, document, memo as TOP SECRET is an excellent way to move in shadow.

heres another: http://www.irregulartimes.com/
 

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