Having trouble with differential equations and separation of variables

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to differential equations and the concept of separation of variables. The first problem involves finding a position function given an acceleration equation, while the second problem requires determining velocity from an acceleration that is proportional to position.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between acceleration and velocity, considering how to approach the first problem through inspection and separation of variables. Questions arise regarding the implications of initial conditions and proportional relationships in the second problem.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the first problem, suggesting methods for solving the differential equation and emphasizing the importance of initial conditions. Others are questioning the assumptions related to acceleration and initial speed in the second problem, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants note the infrequency of similar problems in their studies, which may contribute to their uncertainty in applying the concepts effectively.

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two problems in particular, one i got in calc, the other in physics

one asks if [tex]a = -v[/tex]
and [tex]v = 1[/tex] when [tex]t = 0[/tex]
what is a possible position function for this equation


the other one is
given [tex]a = 3x[/tex]
and starting at rest from [tex]x = 0[/tex]
find the velocity at 5 seconds

i can't seem to get the concept behind these, because the times we do them are so far and few between
 
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For the first one:

since a = dv/dt = -v, you could solve it as a separable equation by writing it as
dv/v = -dt
and integrating both sides.

But you should really be able to do this one just by inspection.

Start off by thinking of a function that is equal to its own derivative & then think of how you can modify it to be equal to the negative of its derivative.

If you need more of a clue, look at the last item on this page:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=4463&page=1&pp=15
(I can't understand why chroot didn't like it; I loved it. :biggrin: )

Then give it a constant coefficient C and use the given boundary condition v(0) = 1 to find the value of C.
 
I started to do some complicated calculations on the second question when suddenly it hit me: the objects acceleration is proportional to x and x= 0? And its initial speed is also 0?? What does that tell you?
 
HallsofIvy said:
I started to do some complicated calculations on the second question when suddenly it hit me: the objects acceleration is proportional to x and x= 0? And its initial speed is also 0?? What does that tell you?


the assumption is that it will accelerate...
 
gnome said:
For the first one:

since a = dv/dt = -v, you could solve it as a separable equation by writing it as
dv/v = -dt
and integrating both sides.

But you should really be able to do this one just by inspection.

Start off by thinking of a function that is equal to its own derivative & then think of how you can modify it to be equal to the negative of its derivative.

If you need more of a clue, look at the last item on this page:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=4463&page=1&pp=15
(I can't understand why chroot didn't like it; I loved it. :biggrin: )

Then give it a constant coefficient C and use the given boundary condition v(0) = 1 to find the value of C.


yeah that one was really obvious now that i think about it, for some reason i kept getting stuck with the 2nd derrivative of x = the 1st derivative of x, and that notation ws getting me nowhere...
 

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