Mass dropped into hole through Earth

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The discussion revolves around a theoretical problem involving an object dropped into a hole through the Earth, assuming a spherical Earth with uniform density. Participants are exploring the speed of the object as it passes the center and the period of its oscillation.

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  • Participants discuss the assumptions of uniform density and spherical shape of the Earth, and the implications of ignoring Earth's rotation. They explore different calculations for the period of oscillation and the speed at the center, questioning the validity of their results.

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There is ongoing exploration of the calculations related to the period and speed of the object. Some participants have provided alternative calculations and corrections, while others are questioning the assumptions and results presented. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note constraints such as the assumption of negligible mass for the object and the exclusion of forces other than gravity. The discussion also highlights the need to consider the mass of the Earth beneath the object when applying conservation of energy.

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assumptions:
Earth is spherical, and it's density uniform.

Me, G, r(earth) are known, m(object) is not known

How fast is the object traveling when it passes the centre, and what is the period of it's oscillation ??

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x(t) = r cos wt

(r is the magnitude of the harmonic motion, radius of earth)

x(t) at centre = 0, thus (wt) = pi/2

v(t) = -r w sin(wt) by differentiation x(t)

sin(wt) = 1,

v = -rw

w = sqrt(k/m), m is the object dropped

k = GMmr^-2, ie the Grav. force

so we can get wr = sqrt(G * Me)

about 19962000 m/s

Does this look OK so far ?

working out T (similar to above, T = 2 pi/w ) i got about 2s, WTF that can't be right.
 
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It takes about 45 minutes for any object to pass entirely through the earth, at abotu any angle, as long as it is not affected by forces other than gravity (and the mass is negligible...but if its not, that cna be added in quite simply).

You should also add that the Earth is not spinning in your setup. If it were spinning and an object were to fall in at a vector perpendicular to the Earth's axis, they would bounce back and forth on the walls.
 
OK, ignore rotation, you're right.

OK i re did it, T = 84 minutes which i think is right.

T = 2*pi*sqrt(R^3/ G*M) = 84 minutes, this bit is OK

speed at the middle = rw,

w = sqrt (GM/r^3)

use that and you get 7904 m/s, sound right ? I don't think so



G = 6.67 *10^-11
M Earth = 5.9742 *10^24 kg
R Earth = 6378100 m
 
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If you need to be concerned with the velocity at the center of the earth, just use conservation of energy:

[tex]E = .5mv^2 - \frac{GMm}{r}[/tex]

where [tex]M[/tex] is the mass that's under the falling object, in other words, if at some arbitrary point inside the earth, your distance from the center is R, then R is the radius of the sphere you need to worry about. The Earth that you've passed through doesn't matter.
 
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