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The discussion revolves around the mathematical expression 3(3^(2n+4) - 2^(2n)) and its representation as a multiple of five. Participants explore methods of proving this claim, including induction and binomial expansion, while addressing the challenges involved in the proof.

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Main Points Raised

  • Pat seeks assistance in expressing the term 3(3^(2n+4) - 2^(2n)) as a multiple of five.
  • Njorl suggests that the last digits of the exponential terms alternate in a way that results in a last digit of 5 when subtracted, but does not provide a direct factorization.
  • uart proposes a modified expression involving a factor of 5, which is met with lighthearted criticism for being "cheating."
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be simplified to proving (9^n - 4^n) is a multiple of 5 using binomial expansion, although this approach does not directly address the original expression.
  • Pat emphasizes the need to retain the original form for an induction proof, detailing their progress in proving f(k+1) - 4f(k) is a multiple of 5 and seeking further assistance with the term involving 3f(k).
  • A later reply confirms that the induction method can be applied by assuming f(k) is a multiple of 5 to show that f(k+1) is also a multiple of 5, while also noting the need to verify the base case f(1).

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Participants express differing views on the approach to proving the expression as a multiple of five. While some methods are proposed, there is no consensus on a definitive solution or agreement on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various methods and assumptions related to the proof, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on the definitions of the terms involved. The discussion remains exploratory without a settled conclusion.

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hi, can someone try and represent:

3(3^(2n+4) - 2^(2n))

as a multiple of five. Been workin on it but I'm not very good at this sort of thing.

Cheers

Pat
 
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It is easy to prove it is so, but I haven't seen any quick method for expressing it as a factor of 5, ie 5*f(x). The last digit of the "3" exponential term alternates between 9 and 1. The last digit of the "2" exponential term alternates between 4 and 6. The subtraction always yields a 5 for the last digit, x9-y4 or x1-y6.

Njorl
 
Sorry, no obvious factors of five there.

How about 5 ( 48.6 * 3^(2n) - 0.6 * 2^(2n) )

:p
 
That's cheating, uart ;)
 
Muzza said:
That's cheating, uart ;)

Hehe that's why I put the ":p" there, it means I was poking my tongue out. :biggrin:


Anyway it's actually pretty easy. You can readily reduce the problem to proving that (9^n - 4^n) is a multiple of 5. Just express the 9^n as (5+4)^n and use the binomial expansion formula. The 4^n terms cancel out you're left with only terms that are multiples of 5
 
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cheers for your help, altho I need to use the 3 because the original proof was by induction to prove f(x) = 3^(2n+4) - 2^(2n) is always a multiple of five, and I've been told to do it by:

f(k+1) - f(k) = f(k+1) - 4f(k) + 3f(k)

Iv proved f(k+1) - 4f(k) is a multiple of 5 by rearranging the powers so need to do it with the 3f(k) now. There should be a way.

Thanks for your help

Pat
 
padraig said:
cheers for your help, altho I need to use the 3 because the original proof was by induction to prove f(x) = 3^(2n+4) - 2^(2n) is always a multiple of five, and I've been told to do it by:

f(k+1) - f(k) = f(k+1) - 4f(k) + 3f(k)

Iv proved f(k+1) - 4f(k) is a multiple of 5 by rearranging the powers so need to do it with the 3f(k) now. There should be a way.

Yes there's a way, you've already done it. The whole basis of proof by induction is that you can proof f(k+1) by assumming f(k). Of course you must verifiy f(1) yourself, but that is very easy.

So you actually just assume that f(k) is a multiple of 5 and then show that this implys that f(k+1) is also a multiple of 5. You've done all the required work already. :)
 
Just to clarify to steps.

1. Prove that g(k) = f(k+1) - 4*f(k) is a multiple of 5 (without making ANY assumptions that f(k) is a multiple of 5).

2. Note that f(k+1) = g(k) + 4*f(k)

3. Using 1. and 2. show that f(k) a mult of 5 implies that f(k+1) is a mult of 5.

4. Verify f(1) is a mult of 5 and you're done.
 

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