Acceleration of expanding space

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of expanding space, exploring potential mechanisms such as vacuum energy, virtual particle energy density, and matter pressure. Participants examine theoretical explanations and their implications for phenomena like the Pioneer spacecraft anomaly.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether existing mechanisms in physics, such as virtual particle energy density, can explain the anomalous acceleration of expanding space and the Pioneer spacecraft anomaly.
  • Others suggest that vacuum energy might be the preferred solution for dark energy, though they acknowledge that it remains a significant open problem.
  • A participant raises the issue of why quantum fluctuations do not cancel each other out completely, proposing that asymmetries, like the Casimir effect, might play a role.
  • Another viewpoint discusses the relationship between matter pressure and energy density, suggesting that the forces holding energy in matter could be key to understanding the acceleration of space expansion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between expanding space and curved space, particularly regarding energy conservation and the forces involved.
  • There is mention of the binding energy of particles and its contribution to mass, with a suggestion that understanding the curvature of space is essential for comprehending its expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind the acceleration of expanding space, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of energy density and pressure, as well as unresolved questions about the structure of forces involved in these phenomena.

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What's the reason for it? Is there a mechanism already existing in physics to explain it, such as virtual particle energy density, to account for the anomalous acceleration? Will such an explanation solve the mystery of the acceleration of the Pioneer spacecraft ?
To know we've got to solve http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/cosConstant.html .
because, according to this web site, the vacuum density predicted by quantum mechanics is 120 orders of magnitude too high (a density of 1091g/cm3.
 
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Yup, the vacuum thing is a problem. There are contributions of opposite sign from a bunch of sources, so clearly there must be some miraculous cancellations going on. That -- vacuum energy, or virtual particle energy density if you prefer -- is prob the preferred solution for the dark energy. There are other ones, like quintessence, which do things like introduce new particles. It's still a big open problem, though.
 
Do you know why the quantum fluctuations don't cancel each other out completely? It seems like there would have to be some asymmetry, like the Cassimir effect.
 
May be the problem is in matter pressure? Matter has enormous energy density while practically zero pressure. But pressure and energy density are one and the same thing (same units, etc).

So there is something which "holds" energy of matter preventing it from exerting pressure (say, e/m and nuclear forces). Without knowing exact structure of these forces (and why they hold energy from spreading) we probably can't solve this misfit.
 
May be the problem is in matter pressure? Matter has enormous energy density while practically zero pressure. But pressure and energy density are one and the same thing (same units, etc).
Wait, it sounds like you're talking about the reason spacetime is bent as result of mass, and that's not quite what I'm asking (or is it? I don't know how expanding space and curved space are specifically related, other than energy conservation between them.)
So there is something which "holds" energy of matter preventing it from exerting pressure (say, e/m and nuclear forces). Without knowing exact structure of these forces (and why they hold energy from spreading) we probably can't solve this misfit.
I've heard that the energy holding the nuclear particles together makes up nearly 1/2 the mass of the whole particle. The e/m and nuclear forces have positive energy definitions, while gravity has negative energy. Ostensibly photons make up the binding energy of particles. Seems like if we want to know how space expands we need to know what makes it curve, better.
 

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