What is the paradox of the ultimate reality?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the ultimate reality and its characterization as a paradox. Participants explore the implications of this idea, including the nature of existence, the role of forces, and the relationship between logic and boredom in understanding reality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the ultimate reality is inherently paradoxical, suggesting that a conclusively logical reality would lead to boredom and a sense of irrationality.
  • Others question the use of the term "paradox," suggesting it may be more appropriate to refer to "mystery."
  • One participant asserts that God can be viewed as a force and a paradox, although this characterization is contested.
  • There is a discussion about the Paradox of Existence, with claims that it cannot be definitively proven or disproven, relying instead on probabilistic assumptions based on observed data.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the meaning of "force," questioning its implications in the context of the discussion.
  • One participant humorously suggests that arbitrary beliefs about existence, such as attributing it to a cat or a giant monster, are ultimately pointless without justification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the characterization of reality as a paradox, nor on the implications of this view. Multiple competing interpretations and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the nature of paradoxes and existence, and there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of terms like "force" and "paradox." The discussion relies heavily on subjective interpretations and personal beliefs.

Mohaamad
The ultimate reality will be pure paradox. Since if the ultimate conclusion of reality is conclusively logical, we would eventually become bored out of our minds and then we would eventually conclude that our conclusion was irrational seeing that the world no longer makes sense.

The "forces" that fuel the nature of things is a paradox. Paradox is a conceptualization of force.

God is a force, a paradox.
 
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You and Wuliheron are going to get along good.

I, on the other hand, don't much care for this use of the word "paradox". Did you actually mean "mystery"?
 
Originally posted by Mohaamad


God is a force, a paradox.

God is not listed among known to mankind forces.
 
Originally posted by Mohaamad
The ultimate reality will be pure paradox. Since if the ultimate conclusion of reality is conclusively logical, we would eventually become bored out of our minds and then we would eventually conclude that our conclusion was irrational seeing that the world no longer makes sense.

The "forces" that fuel the nature of things is a paradox. Paradox is a conceptualization of force.

God is a force, a paradox.

When a paradox is widely believed,
it is no longer recognized as a paradox.
Mason Cooley (b. 1927)


Being bored is good for the soul. It prompts us all to search for the inner peace that allows us to accept reality. Whether you call this reality God, paradox, force, or whatever doesn't matter.
 
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Originally posted by Mohaamad
The ultimate reality will be pure paradox.
The Paradox of Existence is a paradox. Hence,
you can not even prove its existence or inexistence.
All you can do is make PROBABALISTIC assumptions
from the only data we appear to have - the observed.
According to the observed and all our reasoning
systems so far the PoE is ver likely real. But,
you can't prove it absolutely because beyond the
absolute fact of existence the rest is all
probabalistic assumptions to us.
Originally posted by Mohaamad
Since if the ultimate conclusion of reality
is conclusively logical, we would eventually
become bored out of our minds and then we
would eventually conclude that our conclusion
was irrational seeing that the world no longer
makes sense.
If the conclusion is logical then why would
it not make sense ? Perhaps, in the future we
will develop a logic powerfull enough to make
sense of - include existence = the Universe.
Originally posted by Mohaamad
The "forces" that fuel the nature of things is
a paradox. Paradox is a conceptualization of force.
What does "force" mean ?
You mean - the force is strong within me - so
I can type on the keyboard with my telekenisys
powers and use a light-saber to peel potatoes
in miliseconds, at the same time ?!
Originally posted by Mohaamad
God is a force, a paradox.
The PoE is faceless and lacks (probably of
course, and for now) any discription or "face".
I could say my cat is the ultimate ruler of
existence (I'm sure he's much prettier than God )
or I can believe that the world was sneezed out
of the nose of a giant monster, but either
way those will be pointless beliefs - unnecessary
assumptions that have no justification - relevant
input data.

Live long and prosper.
 

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