Finding the fields from 2 electric dipoles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the electric fields generated by two electric dipoles separated by a distance d. Participants explore concepts related to the superposition of fields, the representation of dipole moments, and the differences between near-field and far-field patterns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Norm expresses difficulty in conceptualizing how the dipole moment of one dipole appears when considering two dipoles and their combined fields.
  • One participant suggests an analogy with acoustic fields, mentioning the use of cosine patterns and the importance of superposition in both near-field and far-field scenarios.
  • Another participant inquires whether Norm is asking about the field from a single dipole and mentions Legendre functions as a potential area of relevance.
  • Norm later clarifies that he is interested in the radiation fields of two oscillating dipoles and notes the significance of a phase factor difference between their fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants explore different aspects of the problem without resolving the initial confusion regarding the dipole moments and their fields.

Contextual Notes

Norm's initial question lacks clarity, and there are assumptions about the coordinate system and the nature of the dipole moments that remain unaddressed. The discussion includes references to both near-field and far-field patterns, which may depend on specific conditions not fully articulated.

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How would I go about finding the fields from 2 electric dipoles say a distance d apart... I know they will simply sum... but I am having trouble thinking of how the dipole moment of the dipole at position a would look. I am drawing a blank here and it is getting frustrating.
Thanks,
Norm
 
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Well, i don't work too much with electric fields, but if it was an acoustic field:
Each diplole has a pattern associated with it, i seem to recall it is a cos.
For a far field pattern, draw a plane perpendicular to the direction of interest and compute the distance of each diplole from it, then sum with an sin(kd) for each and superpose the dipole pattern from each source.

If it's in the nearfield then maybe use a freespace Green's function like (e^Z)/Z where Z=-jkd, i think that's the right one for potential anyway. And of course superpose the individual source patterns.

The individual dipole pattern is just a pair of monopoles separated much much less than a wavelength with opposite sign, using a far field pattern.


Hope this helps some,
Best
 
Norman,
Do you have a picture? I'm having trouble understanding your question. Are you asking how the field from just one dipole would look? (and then you know, once you have that, to use the superposition principle) Do you know about Legendre functions?
 
Sorry it was a poorly phrased question... I figured it out though. I had two oscillating dipoles separated by a distance d. I wanted to, in the end, find out what their radiation fields looked like for all space. Since there was no net charge, my dipole moment was independent of coordinate system but there was a phase factor difference between the fields created by each.
Thanks for the interest.
Cheers,
Norm
 

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