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Jun13-08, 03:59 AM   #1
 

Creationist bill passed by Louisiana House of Representatives


This is bad news.

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/index....list=louisiana

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A proposal that would let science teachers change how they teach topics like evolution, cloning and global warming in public schools was overwhelmingly approved Wednesday by the Louisiana House.

The bill by Sen. Ben Nevers, D-Bogalusa, would let teachers supplement school science textbooks with other materials. The House voted 94-3 for the measure.

The Senate already has agreed to the bill, but it heads back to that chamber for approval of a provision that would allow the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education to prohibit supplemental materials it deems inappropriate. Nevers said he will ask the Senate to approve the amendment. He stressed that the amendment does not require BESE to review all the materials. The state board would only step in if someone raised a question about whether the material was appropriate.
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/new..._6_12_2008.asp

On June 11, 2008, with less than two weeks left in the legislative calendar, the Louisiana House of Representatives passed Senate Bill 733, a bill which opens the door to creationism in public school science classes. The bill, sponsored in the House by Rep. Frank Hoffman and in the Senate by Sen. Ben Nevers, purports to "promote[] critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."

The Associated Press (June 12, 2008) reports that "The Senate already has agreed to the bill, but it heads back to that chamber for approval of a provision that would allow the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education to prohibit supplemental materials it deems inappropriate. Nevers said he will ask the Senate to approve the amendment. He stressed that the amendment does not require BESE to review all the materials. The state board would only step in if someone raised a question about whether the material was appropriate." Meanwhile, the Alexandria Town Talk (June 8, 2008) observes that "State lawmakers are looking at a hectic two weeks as the 2008 legislative session draws to a close with many major issues yet to be settled." Outstanding legislation includes next year's budget, infrastructure construction bills, a voucher proposal for New Orleans public schools, and other controversial legislation.
I predict that we will be seeing more of these as time goes by.
 
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Jun13-08, 07:13 AM   #2
 
Finally some equality in the curriculum.
 
Jun13-08, 07:24 AM   #3
 
Quote by Stevedye56 View Post
Finally some equality in the curriculum.
Actually, this bill promotes inequality in the curriculum by exposing students to anti-scientific ideas that has not passed the rigor of scientific analysis in the slightest (creationism) and pretending that they are equal to ideas that have passed the rigor of scientific analysis with flying colors (evolution).

Creationism is just as much of alternative to the fact of evolution as Holocaust revisionism is to the fact of history.
 
Jun13-08, 07:26 AM   #4
 
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Quote by Stevedye56 View Post
Finally some equality in the curriculum.
Sure, it's always wise to balance science with crackpottery.
 
Jun13-08, 07:32 AM   #5
 
If creationism can't be taught then why should the big bang be allowed?
 
Jun13-08, 07:33 AM   #6
 
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Sure, it's always wise to balance science with crackpottery.
If that is your take one it then thats fine. However, I disagree even though I am probably the only person in this forum to do so.
 
Jun13-08, 07:35 AM   #7
 
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Actually, this bill promotes inequality in the curriculum by exposing students to anti-scientific ideas that has not passed the rigor of scientific analysis in the slightest (creationism) and pretending that they are equal to ideas that have passed the rigor of scientific analysis with flying colors (evolution).

Creationism is just as much of alternative to the fact of evolution as Holocaust revisionism is to the fact of history.
Wait wait wait. So the Big Bang HAS passed all of these "tests"..
 
Jun13-08, 07:47 AM   #8
 
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Wait wait wait. So the Big Bang HAS passed all of these "tests"..
Big Bang??? That's a non-sequitur. Big Bang Theory <> Theory of Evolution.

If religion insists on inserting itself into science, we should get equal time. I should be allowed to teach Sunday school (btw, I'm an atheist).
 
Jun13-08, 07:50 AM   #9
 
I think that a soon as science starts to solve problems that it can't then a debate arises. I pose this question to everyone: What happens with the CERN program if NO new information is found after full operation of the LHC? Is it a dead end? Or, is there a cover made up for why nothing was found?
 
Jun13-08, 08:22 AM   #10
 
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Quote by Stevedye56 View Post
If creationism can't be taught then why should the big bang be allowed?
The former is NOT SCIENCE, the latter IS. In a SCIENCE class you teach SCIENCE. End of discussion.
 
Jun13-08, 08:28 AM   #11
 
Does this mean somebody finally can teach the students what's really true instead of that science nonsense? I mean obviously true stuff like my own theory of the 256-dimensional fairies and the invisible flying juju in the skies.

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If creationism can't be taught then why should the big bang be allowed?
Excellent question, maybe because christian creationism is based on the bible, which also states that the earth is 6000 years old and was created in 6 days, and is also in the middle of the universe. The Big Bang theory doesn't say anything about the origins of the universe, only how it evolves from a very early stage. And it also doesn't have a pro Human/Earth bias.
 
Jun13-08, 08:42 AM   #12
 
the bible, which also states that the earth is 6000 years old
It does ?
What version?
I have several and I must have missed that tid bit of fact in all of them.
 
Jun13-08, 08:54 AM   #13
 
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The former is NOT SCIENCE, the latter IS. In a SCIENCE class you teach SCIENCE. End of discussion.
Almost agree, that is if science is about falsifiability. The creation "hypothesis" can be considered falsified. But is the big bang falsifiable?
 
Jun13-08, 09:11 AM   #14
 
Quote by Stevedye56 View Post
Wait wait wait. So the Big Bang HAS passed all of these "tests"..
Yes, it has. Furthermore, the big bang is about the development of the universe, not its origin.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html
 
Jun13-08, 09:13 AM   #15
 
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Almost agree, that is if science is about falsifiability. The creation "hypothesis" can be considered falsified. But is the big bang falsifiable?
If red shift was observed not to occur, or if the ultra specific predictions concerning the cosmic background radiation was not confirmed, it would be pretty hard to advocate the big bang.
 
Jun13-08, 09:15 AM   #16
 
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It does ?
What version?
I have several and I must have missed that tid bit of fact in all of them.
It can be calculated from Old and New Testament genealogies. Luke traces the genealogy of Jesus back to Adam. Naturally, this data is inconsistent with every dating method that exists.
 
Jun13-08, 09:16 AM   #17
 
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It does ?
What version?
I have several and I must have missed that tid bit of fact in all of them.
ask a young earth creationist for the details.
 
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