Rachel's Thoughts on What is Most Convincing or Unconvincing in Reality

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The discussion revolves around perceptions of reality, what participants find convincing or unconvincing, and the reliability of the senses. It includes personal reflections, philosophical musings, and humorous exchanges about the nature of existence and perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find interactions with others to be a strong confirmation of reality, while solitary reflection leads to doubt.
  • One participant expresses that pain and food are convincing aspects of reality.
  • There is a discussion about the reliability of the senses, with varying opinions on which senses are most trustworthy.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the nature of reality, suggesting that if everything aligned perfectly, it would lead to questioning reality.
  • One participant humorously suggests that if they designed the world, it would include phlegm, indicating a belief in the authenticity of imperfect aspects of reality.
  • Philosophical questions arise about the implications of omnipotence and whether one would trust themselves with unlimited power.
  • There are playful exchanges about emoticons and their role in communication, with some expressing strong feelings against them.
  • Participants explore the idea of perfection and its instability, referencing the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in relation to omnipotence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of reality and the reliability of the senses, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the complementary nature of touch and sight, while others have differing opinions on the reliability of various senses.

Contextual Notes

Participants' views on the reliability of senses are influenced by personal experiences, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of omnipotence and perfection.

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What about reality do you find most convincing? or unconvincing?

Me, stubbing my toe into something is pretty convincing ;)
Having conversations with 'other people' is pretty convincing.

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Rachel
 
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most convincing part of my reality is that it all feels so real. yet it doesn't seem real.

Why? i do not know.
 
honestrosewater said:
Having conversations with 'other people' is pretty convincing.
Anytime I interact with other people, reality is more concrete. It is when my mind is left to its own devices that I ever begin to question reality. Shared experience with others is a way of determining that reality exists (if everybody did everything I expected them to, I would start questioning reality BIG TIME).
 
Pain is real. So is food :D
 
Funny, if everybody did everything I expected them to, I'd celebrate :smile:

(yes, I just wanted to use the new smiley)
 
honestrosewater said:
Funny, if everybody did everything I expected them to, I'd celebrate :smile:

(yes, I just wanted to use the new smiley)
If everybody thought alike, nobody would need ME! :cry: (love these new smileys!)
 
The fact that I so vehemently hate emoticons is quite real to me.
 
loseyourname said:
The fact that I so vehemently hate emoticons is quite real to me.
They should make a smiley for that!
 
How would you rank the reliability of the senses, if pressed? Do you believe one sense more than another? For instance, if it looks like an orange, smells like a banana, feels like a pineapple, sounds like a coconut, and tastes like an apple- what is it?
I am most doubtful of sight, then touch, sound, smell, and taste. Loosely, in order of complexity.
Happy thoughts
Rachel
 
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I distrust sound the most. I have been fooled many times by a sound I've heard for which my mind then ascribed an explanation which turned out to be false.

My smell and taste were compromised by cigarettes and alcohol, and even after more than ten years of abstinence they are my weakest senses. I will say that smells do have a long memory and tend to evoke images from the past with amazing accuracy.

Touch and sight, when coupled, are my most reliable senses. I realize they can be fooled, but in my experience they tell me most about my reality.
 
  • #11
The things I find convincing are the things that seem to be done poorly. If I were living in an artificial construction there would be no phlegm. I just can't imagine that any super-intelligent being would include phlegm in any universe it made up.

Njorl
 
  • #12
I agree, touch and sight complement each other the best.

What? How can you not appreciate phlegm- why, if I designed the world, everything would be made of phlegm! :biggrin:

Hope I'm not annoying everyone, but I like these kinds of questions.
If you could add *one* of the following to your current abilities, which would you choose?
Omnipotence, omnibenevolence, omnipresence, omnificence, omniscience, or any other "omni[blank]"? I think I would choose omnipotence. hmm... must think
 
  • #13
One of my favorite quotes from the x-files:

Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing?
 
  • #14
honestrosewater said:
What? How can you not appreciate phlegm- why, if I designed the world, everything would be made of phlegm!

Phlegm is OK with me; getting a mouthful of the substance out of my system when I'm sick is one of those great little pleasures in life.

If you could add *one* of the following to your current abilities, which would you choose? Omnipotence, omnibenevolence, omnipresence, omnificence, omniscience, or any other "omni[blank]"?

Omnipotence without omniscience is too dangerous. Omniscience is not desirable; there are things I'd rather not know. Omnibenevolence.. are you kidding? Omnipresence... hmmm, travel is a lot more fun. Omnificence... I'm too busy already.

I think I'd choose omniaffluence - an endless supply of money! And a little omnivirility wouldn't hurt either :-p
 
  • #15
If you were omnipotent, you could make yourself omniscience and omnibenevolence and whatever other omni[blank] you wanted ;)
Would any of you not trust yourself with unlimited power?
 
  • #16
If you had unlimited power you could make your self into a perfect being who knows all. Would you trust yourself with unlimited power if you were perfect? I would.
 
  • #17
If I were omnipotent, I would get rid of all emoticons.
 
  • #18
THANOS said:
Would you trust yourself with unlimited power if you were perfect? I would.
Perfection is a highly unstable state. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle says your perfection would eventually diminish, then you would be left with imperfect omnipotence.

I keep thinking if I won $50 million in the lottery I would use the money for good instead of just being another flashy millionaire. But I just know that not having to earn my way in life would affect me in a bad way no matter what.
 
  • #19
Phi For All said:
Perfection is a highly unstable state. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle says your perfection would eventually diminish, then you would be left with imperfect omnipotence.

Ah, but if you are omnipotent, the uncertainty principle only holds if you make it hold- you can do- or undo- whatever you want. You don't have to obey any rules, not even your own. loseyourname could get rid of :surprise: before it existed. It's a crazy idea.
 
  • #20
:eek: :biggrin: :wink: :smile: :frown: :cry: :zzz: :mad: :rolleyes: :surprise: :redface: :devil: :rolleyes: :approve: :smile: :confused: :shy: :-p
 
  • #21
Try to control your emoticons, THANOS!
 
  • #22
sorry, now smile and just forget my last post my friend.

Like so...
 

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  • #23
OK, you're omnipotent, but with a catch: you have to do things one at a time. What is the first thing you would do and why?
 
  • #24
Stop time! :devil:
 
  • #25
leave things as they are. I'm sure if i was omnipotent i would realize that everything is fine the way it is. But I'm not omnipotent so I'll stick with my views. lol
 
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THANOS said:
sorry, now smile and just forget my last post my friend.

Like so...

LOL .....
 

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