Hitting Water at Terminal Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the consequences of hitting water at terminal velocity, specifically focusing on the impact dynamics for a person of average proportions without special clothing. Participants explore various impact orientations such as feet first, head first, and belly flop, and consider the effects of speed on injury and survival.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that hitting water at terminal velocity, approximately 200 mph, would likely result in death.
  • Others mention that there are anecdotal accounts of individuals surviving similar falls under specific conditions, such as landing on snow.
  • One participant suggests that the impact speed varies with the orientation of the body, estimating speeds of about 200 mph for headfirst and feet first, and around 90 mph for a belly flop.
  • Another participant argues that the danger is more related to inertia and the ability to shift water out of the way rather than surface tension alone, emphasizing the importance of impact orientation for survival chances.
  • There is a claim that serious injuries can begin at accelerations of 20g, with survival becoming unlikely beyond 30g, and calculations are provided for braking distance at high speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that hitting water at high speeds is dangerous and likely fatal, but there are competing views regarding the specifics of impact dynamics, survival scenarios, and the role of surface tension versus inertia.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying estimates of terminal velocity and impact speeds, as well as differing opinions on the mechanics of injury and survival, highlighting the complexity and uncertainty surrounding the topic.

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What would happen if you hit a body of water( say an ocean) at the terminal velocity of a person of avg proportions without any special clothing on..just like a jumpsuit? (how would it change for Feet first/head first/belly flop/at an angle etc?)
 
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Originally posted by dav2008
What would happen if you hit a body of water( say an ocean) at the terminal velocity of a person of avg proportions without any special clothing on..just like a jumpsuit? (how would it change for Feet first/head first/belly flop/at an angle etc?)

Death.

Terminal velocity is about 200mph. Hitting ANYTHING at 200mph is basically instadeath.
 
Then again, there are stories of people who have survived such falls...
 
Originally posted by dav2008
(how would it change for Feet first/head first/belly flop/at an angle etc?)

Headfirst/Feetfirst, about 200mph. Belly flop; about 90.
 
At less than terminal velocity, you might want to consider hitting concrete instead if you can. It compresses. Water on the other hand, has a very low compressability at such speeds. There is a trick people do for diving very high heights. Drop a fairly heavy object before you to break the surface tension. But ya, at terminal velocity your probably going to be killed no matter what you hit.
 
A human will die at hitting the water at a minimum of 60 mph. Water has a very strong surface tension, trust me I've hit it at about 40 mph, it hurts like hell.
 
It hurts at 5MPH. But maybe I'm not that tough.
 
Originally posted by MrCaN
A human will die at hitting the water at a minimum of 60 mph. Water has a very strong surface tension, trust me I've hit it at about 40 mph, it hurts like hell.

It's nowt to do with the surface tension and all to do with inertia - basically shifting the water out of the way fast enough - 'added mass' is the term when shifting liquids. If you can minimise the amount to be shifted, and ensure that it is struck by a non-vital organ (i.e hands and not head) then you increase your survival chances. That's what a high diver would do.

I doubt whether you'd survive a 200 mph impact under any circumstances.
 


Originally posted by LURCH
Headfirst/Feetfirst, about 200mph. Belly flop; about 90.

More like 250 mph and 140 mph.
 
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Originally posted by FZ+
Then again, there are stories of people who have survived such falls...

Yes, when they hit 30-50 ft of snow or in similar circumstances.

Basicly serious inguries start at a=20g and practically no one survives beyong 30g acceleration.

One can easily calculate required braking distance s=v2/2a for any velocity v and maximal braking acceleration a. For 200 mph and a=25g you get minimal braking distance to be about 17 m (~50 ft).
 

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