Magnetic field of an infinite plane

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The discussion centers on the magnetic field produced by an infinite plane of current, exploring theoretical implications and comparisons to other electromagnetic phenomena, such as the field of an infinite solenoid and the behavior of electric fields. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to electromagnetism.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the magnetic field of an infinite plane of current is zero or varies with distance (1/d).
  • Another participant expresses confidence that the magnetic field would be zero but admits uncertainty about the reasoning behind it.
  • A participant cites Ampere's law to suggest that if the plane has a surface current density K, the magnetic field B would equal 2πK/c in Gaussian units.
  • Concerns are raised about the expectation that the magnetic field should decrease with distance from the plane, with one participant arguing against this notion based on the infinite nature of the current plane.
  • One participant proposes that the magnetic field would resemble the electric field but rotated 90 degrees, suggesting that the field is zero when considering both directions from the plane.
  • Another participant counters that the field is not infinite and that the contributions from distant elements of the plane decrease, leading to a cancellation effect in the field direction.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding and suggests that the magnetic field is constant, similar to that of an infinite plane of electric charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the magnetic field, with some asserting it is zero while others propose it has a specific form based on surface current density. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of the magnetic field in relation to distance from the plane.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the uniformity of the current and the definitions of the magnetic field in different contexts. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or the implications of the infinite nature of the current plane.

granpa
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what would the magnetic field of an infinite plane of current look like. its either zero or 1/d. I can't tell which.

all current in the same direction and entirely within the plane of course.

this is not homework unless self study is considered homework.

really, I want to understand why the external field of an infinite solenoid is zero.
 
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well I'm quite sure it would be zero. I'm just not completely sure why
 
If the plane had a surface current density K then B=2pi K/c (in Gaussian units),
using Ampere's law. This result enters in the calculation of the reflection of a plane wave by a conductor.
 
clem said:
If the plane had a surface current density K then B=2pi K/c (in Gaussian units),
using Ampere's law. This result enters in the calculation of the reflection of a plane wave by a conductor.

I got that too, from ampere's law, but wouldn't we expect the field to decrease when getting farther from the plane?
 
granpa said:
what would the magnetic field of an infinite plane of current look like.

It would look just like the electric field, but rotated 90deg (and 90deg out of phase). Think of a plane wave striking the plate - the magnetic field induces the current.

its either zero or 1/d. I can't tell which.

If you are only considering one direction (+z?), it is 1/d. If you consider both directions (+/-z), it is zero (because the magnetic fields in opposite directions would be 180deg out of phase). [correction: it would be 1/d for a finite plate]

I want to understand why the external field of an infinite solenoid is zero.

Similar to the above, but different. :smile:

ibc said:
but wouldn't we expect the field to decrease when getting farther from the plane?

No - because the infinite plate of uniform current has infinite gain perpendicular to the plate (all the energy is ratiated in a single direction).

Regards,

Bill
 
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Antenna Guy said:
No - because the infinite plate of uniform current has infinite gain perpendicular to the plate (all the energy is ratiated in a single direction).

Regards,

Bill

the field is not infinite, and the gain of farther plane elements is decreasing to zero in infinity, so when you are farther away from the plane, each of these elements' field is smaller.
and it's not all in the same direction, as you get farther away (from the point at which you measure the field), the direction of the field is changing (of course when you go to the other side you get the same effect with opposite direction, so eventually the field is only in 1 direction parallel to the plane (perpendicular to the corrent), but a lot of the "energy" cancels out and don't contribute to the field.
 
looks like I totally missed the mark. so its constant. just like the field of an infinite plane of electric charge.

thanks for all the help
 

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