Starting algebra and I have a problem.

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The discussion revolves around understanding the steps involved in solving a specific algebraic equation, particularly focusing on the manipulation of terms and the handling of negative values. Participants seek clarification on the process of combining like terms and the implications of operations performed on both sides of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the steps taken in solving the equation, particularly regarding the disappearance of the '2' and the emergence of the negative 'x'.
  • Another participant explains algebraic manipulation by providing a general example of combining terms, suggesting that treating 'x' as a number can clarify the process.
  • A participant breaks down the equation step-by-step, showing how terms are combined and simplified, but does not address the initial confusion about the '2'.
  • Questions arise about the correctness of the equation, with multiple participants pointing out a potential error in the second line of the equation, specifically regarding the sign of '-16'.
  • One participant uses a metaphor involving apples to illustrate the concept of combining like terms, emphasizing that the operation leads to a negative result when subtracting larger coefficients.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the explanation makes sense, indicating some level of understanding achieved.
  • Several participants repeatedly question the accuracy of the original problem setup, suggesting that there may have been a mistake in copying or solving the equation.
  • Another participant asserts that the first equation will not balance with the proposed solution of x=2, reinforcing the concerns about the initial problem statement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the accuracy of the original equation, with multiple claims that the second line should include '-16'. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial problem or the solution provided.

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Participants highlight potential errors in the transcription of the problem, which may affect the validity of the solution process. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of algebraic manipulation.

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Individuals learning algebra, particularly those struggling with combining like terms and understanding negative coefficients, may find this discussion relevant.

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Okay, maybe I just totally missed somthing somewhere, but I encountered a problem while learning "Combination of Terms Equations".

Here is how they work the problem:



6x - 2x + 6 = x -2x -16
4x + 6 = -x + 16
-6 + -6
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4x = -x + 10
+x = +x
---------------
5x = 10
5x = 10
5----5
---------------
x = 2


Now, can you explain how they did this? What happened to the '2' and where did the negitive 'X' come from, etc?? Show me how to work this please, because they don't. It seems like they're pulling numbers out of thin air.
 
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no, they're doing algebraic manipulation:

i have three times a number, say and i add five times the same number to it, what do i have? 8 times the same number: 3x+5x=(3+5)x=8x

now you say what happened to the 2, well, i can see 3 of them in there, which one do you mean?

just treat x as a number and manipulate it according to the rules of arithmetic
 
6x - 2x + 6= x - 2x - 16

6x - 2x = 4x and x - 2x = -x therefore we can reduce our equation to:

4x + 6 = -x + 16

add -6 to both sides (i.e. takeaway 6 from both sides)

4x = -x + 10

add x to both sides:

5x = 10

divide both sides by 5:

x = 2
 
jcsd said:
x - 2x = -x


Why do we loose the 2 though? When you subtract by x does it always make it negitive?
 
x - 2x can be written like this:

1x - 2x

Replace x with "apple:"

1apple - 2apples

You're left with -1apple. That's why:

x - 2x = -x

You don't really have to think about what x is doing there. Just think about 1 minus 2:

1 - 2 = -1
 
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Okay, thanks! Now it makes sense! :biggrin:

Thanks guys!
 
shouldnt it be -16 on the second line?
 
Either copied the problem wrong or did the entire equation wrong! 1st line and 2nd line don't match!
 
addman said:
shouldnt it be -16 on the second line?


thats the first thing i said,lol, i was thinking "hmmm...that could be your problem right there"
 
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A false change of sign!

addman said:
shouldnt it be -16 on the second line?

You are exactly right! The first equation certainly will not balance with x=2.
 

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