Faster than light-yes -but how?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of faster-than-light speeds in relation to black holes and the properties of protons. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and equations that might suggest such speeds, while also debating the validity of these approaches and their implications in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an equation relating the radius of a black hole's event horizon to the mass and charge of a proton, suggesting that this leads to a speed of 10^23 meters per second.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the original formula used, noting that the Schwarzschild radius should be expressed differently but arrives at the same speed result.
  • Some participants argue that imagining physical constructs without empirical basis is problematic, comparing it to hypothetical scenarios like perpetual motion machines.
  • There is a suggestion that charge and mass could be treated equivalently in a theoretical framework, potentially leading to new understandings of relativity.
  • One participant emphasizes that the equation discussed applies accurately only to black holes, yet suggests that wave speeds could propagate throughout the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed equations and concepts. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the theoretical approaches or the implications of the results presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made, particularly regarding the applicability of black hole physics to protons and the speculative nature of the arguments presented.

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If you take the equation for the radius of the event horizon of a black hole and imagine that the mass of a proton is made from lots of tiny masses that form a mini black hole, and that the charge of the proton is made from mini charges that also from a black hole then:


G M/ 3 C^ 2 = K Q / 3 v ^ 2

putting in values for G the gravitational constant , 6.6 x 10^ -11, k the coulomb constant 9.9 x 10 ^ -9, M the mass = 1.6 x 10 ^ -27,
Q the electric charge = 1.6 x 10 ^ -19, C the speed of light = 3 x 10^8 and v is a new unknown speed, the value of v is 10^23 metresper second!

Whether or not you need nuclear power to get to this speed I couldn't say!
 
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kurious said:
If you take the equation for the radius of the event horizon of a black hole and imagine that the mass of a proton is made from lots of tiny masses that form a mini black hole, and that the charge of the proton is made from mini charges that also from a black hole then:


G M/ 3 C^ 2 = K Q / 3 v ^ 2

putting in values for G the gravitational constant , 6.6 x 10^ -11, k the coulomb constant 9.9 x 10 ^ -9, M the mass = 1.6 x 10 ^ -27,
Q the electric charge = 1.6 x 10 ^ -19, C the speed of light = 3 x 10^8 and v is a new unknown speed, the value of v is 10^23 metresper second!

Whether or not you need nuclear power to get to this speed I couldn't say!

If you ask me, I think this is just the wrong way to do physics.
I don't understand how you got your formula.
 
Formula for schwarzschild radius should be 2GM/ c^2 but result for v is the same.
I am saying that charges could be masses with a bigger force constant and that just as general relativity which involves mass can be associated with the speed of light,
there would be a general relativity for charge which can be associated with another
wave speed.I am putting charge and mass on an equal footing.Relativity theory
likes things to be unbiased!
 
The problem is you can't just "imagine" those things, its like I say imagine if you didn't need friction to create power, then we could make a pepetual motion machine
 
No need to imagine - the equation only applies accurately to black holes but the wavespeed generated like the wavespeed associated with light would mean that the actual wave can wonder around the universe anywhere.
 
kurious said:
Imagine that the mass of a proton is made from lots of tiny masses that form a mini black hole, and that the charge of the proton is made from mini charges that also from a black hole then:

no need to imagine huh?
 

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