Direction of voltage and electric field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the relationship between electric field (E) and voltage (U), particularly focusing on the implications of the negative sign in the equation E = - grad(U). Participants explore the direction of electric fields and currents in a hypothetical scenario involving charged surfaces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding the negative sign in the equation E = - grad(U) compared to E = U/d, suggesting that the latter is a simplification for constant electric fields.
  • Another participant clarifies that the negative sign indicates that the electric field vector points in the direction of decreasing voltage.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where a positively charged ceiling and a negatively charged floor lead to questions about the direction of current, with responses indicating that the designation of "positive" or "negative" current depends on the chosen reference direction.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of specifying direction explicitly to avoid confusion regarding current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the interpretation of the negative sign in the electric field equation, but there remains uncertainty regarding the designation of current direction based on reference points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of electric fields and current direction that may depend on specific definitions or contexts not fully explored in the posts.

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Hi guys,

in a physics book I found the equation E = - grad(U) and in another one E=U/d with E:electric field, U:voltage, d:distance. The minus sign confuses me. Can anybody explain that to me, please?

I am thinking of a room with a positively charged ceiling and a negatively charged floor. So a positive charge will move towards the floor to reduce the potential energy. In that case, is the current I positive or negative?

Thanks a lot.
Basti
 
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BassTea said:
Hi guys,

in a physics book I found the equation E = - grad(U) and in another one E=U/d with E:electric field, U:voltage, d:distance. The minus sign confuses me. Can anybody explain that to me, please?

The former is the correct general form. The latter is probably a simplification where one is only interested in the magnitude of a constant E-field. It is a simplification of the former.

Zz.
 
Yes that's correct, the negative sign tells us the the E vector points in the direction of decreasing voltage.
 
BassTea said:
I am thinking of a room with a positively charged ceiling and a negatively charged floor. So a positive charge will move towards the floor to reduce the potential energy. In that case, is the current I positive or negative?

It depends on which direction you call "positive" or "negative." If you call the direction from the floor to the ceiling "positive," then the current is negative in this case. If you call the direction from the ceiling to the floor "positive," then the current is positive in this case.

When there is any chance of confusion in a situation like this, I prefer to specify the direction explicitly, in this case "downward," instead of saying "positive" or "negative."
 
Thank a lot. You're great help.
 

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