Average Force and Momentum: What is the Relationship Between Impulse and Force?

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The discussion centers on calculating the average force exerted on a wall by molecules rebounding off it. A molecule of mass m and speed v strikes the wall, resulting in a change in momentum of 2mv. When molecules strike the wall at intervals of time t, the total impulse imparted to the wall over a long time T is given by (T/t)(2mv). The average force can be derived from the relationship between impulse and force, leading to the formula F = 2mv/t.

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Hi everyone,

I'm having a hard time understanding this problem: A molecule of mass m and speed v strikes a wall at right angles and rebounds with the same speed. If molecules, all of this type, strike the wall at intervals a time t apart (on the average) what is the average force on the wall averaged over a long time.

What do they mean averaged over a long time? I don't even know how long the collision is.

e(ho0n3
 
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e(ho0n3 said:
Hi everyone,

I'm having a hard time understanding this problem: A molecule of mass m and speed v strikes a wall at right angles and rebounds with the same speed. If molecules, all of this type, strike the wall at intervals a time t apart (on the average) what is the average force on the wall averaged over a long time.

What do they mean averaged over a long time? I don't even know how long the collision is.

e(ho0n3


That's WHY they ask for the force "averaged over a long time". A molecule of mass m and speed v has momentum mv. If it rebounds with the same speed (but opposite velocity) then it has momentum -mv: a total change in momentum of 2mv. That's the "impulse" the wall has imparted to it and the impulse the molecule imparts to the wall ("for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction").
v Since a molecule strikes the wall at "time t apart (on the average)", in a long time T, approximately T/t molecules will strike the wall and those molecules will impart a total impulse of (T/t)(2mv) to the wall. Now, what is the relationship between "impulse" and "force"?
 
HallsofIvy said:
That's WHY they ask for the force "averaged over a long time". A molecule of mass m and speed v has momentum mv. If it rebounds with the same speed (but opposite velocity) then it has momentum -mv: a total change in momentum of 2mv. That's the "impulse" the wall has imparted to it and the impulse the molecule imparts to the wall ("for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction").
v Since a molecule strikes the wall at "time t apart (on the average)", in a long time T, approximately T/t molecules will strike the wall and those molecules will impart a total impulse of (T/t)(2mv) to the wall. Now, what is the relationship between "impulse" and "force"?

I think I see what you're getting at. So,
[tex]\frac{T}{t}2mv = \int_{0}^{T}{F dt}[/tex]
Then the average force is
[tex]\frac{1}{T}\int_{0}^{T}{F dt}=\frac{2mv}{t}[/tex]

I guess I wasn't thinking in terms of the TOTAL impulse on the wall since the impulse occurs only during the strikes. The more of these physics problems I do, the dumber I seem to get.

Thanks,
e(ho0n3
 

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