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May2109, 08:52 AM

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Does the following differential equation for u(x,y) have solutions which have the form of a product of functions of each independent variable: [tex]\partial[/tex]^{2}u/[tex]\partial[/tex]x[tex]\partial[/tex]y=u [b]3. The attempt at a solution[/] =>[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]u dx dy =uxy=f(x)f(y) ??? 


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May2109, 08:57 AM

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im not sure if that even makes sense, but if u(x,y)=f(x)f(y) and d*f(x)/dx=u/constant and d*f(y)/dy=constant... i think, i don't know im confused..



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May2109, 09:14 AM

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Set u(x,y)=f(x)*g(y). What is your partial derivative in terms of f(x), f'(x), g(y), and g'(y)?



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May2109, 10:00 AM

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so [tex]\partial[/tex]^{2}u/[tex]\partial[/tex]x[tex]\partial[/tex]y=f(x)g(y)??
so in terms of f'(x) and g'(y) im not sure.. 


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May2109, 11:31 AM

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You have an equation that equates the derivative of u to u itself. You can already guess what u will be, but lets not guess.
Setting u(x,y)=f(x)g(y), then the equation becomes [tex]\frac{\partial^2 f(x)g(y)}{\partial x \partial y}=f(x)g(y)[/tex]. Now what Dick asks you to do is to calculate [tex]\frac{\partial^2 f(x)g(y)}{\partial x \partial y}[/tex]. Hint: [tex] \frac{d}{dx}f(x)= ? [/tex] In terms of f'(x) 


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May2109, 01:32 PM

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I actually meant u(x,y)=f(x)g(y). There's no reason why the function of x would have to be the same as the function of y. And yes, evaluate the derivative.



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May2109, 01:35 PM

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Sorry, that was sloppy of me I actually meant f(x)g(x). I will fix it.



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May2109, 06:00 PM

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hmm d/dx of f(x).. isn't that just f'(x)??.... is it something like the integral of f'(x)g'(y)??



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May2109, 06:02 PM

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so... [tex]
\frac{\partial^2 f(x)g(y)}{\partial x \partial y} [/tex] =[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]f'(x)g'(y) dx dy?? 


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May2109, 06:12 PM

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What you've written down now is the equivalent to [itex]\frac{d}{dx}f(x)=\int f'(x) dx[/itex]. Which is wrong. Lets test it, f(x)=x then [itex]\frac{d}{dx}x=1 \neq \int 1 dx=x+c[/itex].



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May2109, 06:20 PM

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u get f'(x)g'(y)?? Im confused becasue when u take partial of f(x), u get d/dy(d/dx*f(x))=0??



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May2109, 06:25 PM

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Yes that's correct, but you're not taking the partial of f(x), you're talking the partial derivative of f(x)g(y).
[tex] \frac{\partial^2 f(x)g(y)} {\partial x \partial y}=\frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x) \frac{\partial}{\partial y}g(y)=f'(x)g'(y) [/tex] 


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May2109, 06:26 PM

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ok so since f(x)g(y)=f'(x)g(y)=u(x,y)=??



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May2109, 06:30 PM

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You forgot a prime it should be [itex]f'(x)g'(y)=f(x)g(y)=u(x,y)[/itex]. You can instantly see which function satisfies the equation, but you can also separate the variables.



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May2109, 06:32 PM

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e^x+y?? so f(x)=e^x and g(y)=e^y same as the derivativeS?



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May2109, 06:35 PM

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That would be a solution indeed, you're on the right track. it is not the general solution however. The general solution will involve integration constants and a constant in the argument of the exponential. Can you see how to integrate the differential equation?



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May2109, 06:38 PM

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e^xy?? so f(x)=e^x and g(y)=e^y same as the derrivativeS?
srry this was an accident 


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May2109, 06:41 PM

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Don't randomly guess, [itex]f'(x)g'(y)=y e^{xy}xe^{xy} \neq e^{xy}[/itex]. Separate the variables first, that is all the x dependent stuff on one side and all the y dependent stuff on the other side.



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