Sudden boiling of coffee in cup after heat source removed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of coffee boiling suddenly after being removed from a microwave, exploring the causes of this occurrence, including superheating and nucleation sites. The scope includes theoretical explanations and safety considerations related to heating liquids in microwaves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Safety-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the coffee was superheated, meaning it reached temperatures above its boiling point without boiling due to a lack of nucleation sites.
  • Warren explains that boiling requires nucleation sites and that moving the cup can create cavitation, prompting boiling.
  • Another participant mentions that water boils from the center out in a microwave, which could lead to bubbles forming and bursting when the cup is moved.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the "huge bubble at the bottom" mechanism, with Warren stating he has not seen evidence supporting this claim.
  • There is a discussion about whether adding objects like a piece of chicken can create nucleation sites, with Warren confirming that it can.
  • A participant references an article discussing flash steam and its potential to cause explosive boiling, emphasizing the dangers of superheated liquids.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about two bottles of water left in a truck, suggesting differences in composition could affect boiling behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind the sudden boiling of coffee, particularly concerning superheating and nucleation sites. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing opinions on specific mechanisms and safety practices.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of superheating and nucleation, as well as the lack of empirical evidence for some claims made regarding bubble formation and boiling behavior in microwaves.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the physics of heating liquids, safety in microwave usage, and the behavior of superheated water may find this discussion relevant.

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I just now heated a cup of coffee in a microwave oven for 2 minutes. When I opened the oven door to get the cup, the surface of the coffee was placid. But the moment I picked up the cup and moved it, there was a brief moment of boiling lasting maybe one second. What might have caused the coffee to boil after the heating energy had been turned off?

Jerry Abbott
 
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Jenab said:
I just now heated a cup of coffee in a microwave oven for 2 minutes. When I opened the oven door to get the cup, the surface of the coffee was placid. But the moment I picked up the cup and moved it, there was a brief moment of boiling lasting maybe one second. What might have caused the coffee to boil after the heating energy had been turned off?

Jerry Abbott

Maybe the heat was still heading towards the outside, maybe the kinetic energy you gave it caused friction, and just a bit more heat (to boil it), maybe the change of atmosphere, maybe the last few rays were heading out of the microwave, maybe there were air bubbles, maybe ...
 
The water was superheated -- i.e. heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling. The reason? Boiling requires nucleation sites -- little irregularities, bumps, or other debris in the water to serve as places where bubbles of steam can form. Without any nucleation sites, water can be heated significantly above its boiling point without actually boiling. When you remove it from the microwave and slosh it a bit, the cavitation can prompt the onset of boiling. So can the addition of a spoon, or some coffee grinds.

Always be extremely careful when removing hot water from a microwave, especially when using a smooth glass or ceramic container.

- Warren
 
Safety note

Actually, to be on the safe side, never heat water in a microwave without making sure there is something in it that allows nucleation, such as a wooden stick or other non-smooth object.
 
Part of the problem not mentioned by CHROOT is that water boils from the center out in a microwave. So, a single bubble can form in the center of the cup, below the surface of the water and burst on its own or when the cup is moved. This can occur after only a few seconds in a microwave.

I put a cup of coffee in the microwave to be heated, turned around for about 15 seconds, turned back and half of the coffee was sitting in the glass dish on the bottom of the microwave oven. I thought the cup had broken, but it hadn't. I think a huge bubble had burst low in the cup.
 
Artman,

I have never seen evidence of the "huge bubble at the bottom" mechanism you described. In fact, I'd bet money it doesn't happen.

- Warren
 
ooosh chroot your the dude
will a piece of chicken cause a nucleation site?
 
FUNKER,

Definitely. :smile:

- Warren
 
chroot said:
Artman,

I have never seen evidence of the "huge bubble at the bottom" mechanism you described. In fact, I'd bet money it doesn't happen.

- Warren

This article describes the occurrence. Flash steam in the center of the cup provides the force to propel the water upwards. The mechanism is as you described, superheating the water. My point is that it can do far more than just boil, but can literaly explode from the cup. It is not a slow bubble formation, but the creation of flash steam expanding in the cup.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/2020/primetime_010315_superheating_feature.html
 
  • #10
Heh this remind me of a story my physics teacher in high school told me.

He was heading to school one winter morning, and he had left 2 bottles of water in his truck over night. One was frozen, and the other one wasn't. I guess they were different brands(assuming). Anyways, one was purified. Must have been distilled.
 
  • #11
It's also possible one had a smaller air bubble inside it, or the bottles were of different compositions and elasticities, and thus the pressure was different in one bottle than in the other.

- Warren
 

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