General Electricity: Understand the Basics for High School Exam

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The discussion revolves around fundamental concepts in electricity as participants prepare for a high school exam. Topics include current, voltage, resistance, magnetic fields, and the relationships between these concepts, with a focus on clarifying definitions and equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the constant is 9.0 * 10^9, questioning the units involved.
  • Current is described as charge per second, with a suggestion that resistance lowers current by slowing electrons.
  • Voltage is likened to potential gravity, with a formula involving two charges and distance, though this is challenged as being a description of electric potential energy rather than voltage itself.
  • Another participant corrects the claim that a magnetic field is a force, clarifying that it refers to strength instead.
  • Concerns are raised about mixing up concepts related to electric fields and charges, particularly regarding the distinction between one charge and two charges.
  • Ohm's Law is mentioned, with a correction that it should be V = IR rather than R = IV.
  • Participants discuss the importance of units in understanding and applying physical concepts, emphasizing their role in memory and calculations.
  • One participant expresses relief at discovering that all equations and constants were provided during the exam, leading to a successful outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between concepts such as voltage, current, and magnetic fields. There is no consensus on some of the foundational definitions, and multiple interpretations are present throughout the discussion.

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Some participants highlight the importance of units in understanding the concepts discussed, indicating that misunderstandings may arise from not properly accounting for them. There are also mentions of confusion regarding the application of formulas and the distinction between different physical quantities.

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Students preparing for high school exams in physics, educators looking for insights into common misconceptions, and anyone interested in foundational concepts of electricity.

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You'll excuse me for putting such a basic question here, but my high-school exam is tomorrow and I just want to make sure I have things straight! (I'm not very worried here..)

The constant is 9.0* 10^9 right? (nm the units)

1: Current is charge per second (*speed?) (the amount of electrons passing through per second). The reason resistance lowers current is it slows down the electrons (thus the "per second")

2: Voltage is basically potential gravity. constant*charge1*charge2/distance.

3: R=IV, (series) R = R+R... , I=I=I, V=V+V, (parralel), 1/R = 1/R + 1/R.., I = I+I, V=V=V

4: Magnetic fields. The force around a wire is constant*current/distance (more current means more force, more distance means less force, distance to power 1 since it's a cylinder and not a sphere)

5: Charges are exactly like gravity, except with the possibility of a repulsion. (kinoof 2, here)

6: The equation for the magnetic field between two plates is: Field = Voltage/Distance (between plates). The field is uniform across the entire area.

uhm... (keeps thinking...) I think that's all. I wish I still had my physics book and I didn't have to "study from memory" (you know, go over it so you don't need to spend that downtiem during the exam).
 
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4: Magnetic fields. The force around a wire is constant*current/distance (more current means more force, more distance means less force, distance to power 1 since it's a cylinder and not a sphere)


A magnetic field is NOT a force.



Charges are exactly like gravity, except with the possibility of a repulsion. (kinoof 2, here)


I think the better analogy would be between charge and GRAVITATIONAL MASS, not gravity itself.



Voltage is basically potential gravity. constant*charge1*charge2/distance.

You have described electric potential energy of the system of charges, charge 1 and charge 2, not voltage. Voltage is the work per unit charge to get from point A to point B.
 
Gza said:
A magnetic field is NOT a force.
My bad. I meant the "strength".





I think the better analogy would be between charge and GRAVITATIONAL MASS, not gravity itself.
Yep, thanks.

You have described electric potential energy of the system of charges, charge 1 and charge 2, not voltage. Voltage is the work per unit charge to get from point A to point B.

This one's got me worried, because I was always mixing up the ones with two charges with ones with oen charge (field vs other charge) and the /r^2 with /r (I am no good with terms, I work on ideas). Also, I take all of this in french, so !. V = J/C, yes, I knew that, I remember now. :redface: One volt is when it takes 1 J to move 1C from infinity to the point you're checking, correct?
 
There seem to be a lot of problems here actually...

Alkatran said:
The constant is 9.0* 10^9 right? (nm the units)
What constant are you talking about? And don't even say "nevermind" about units -- units are your best friend and will help you more times than you can imagine, if you'll let them. Don't ever forget units.

1: Current is charge per second (*speed?) (the amount of electrons passing through per second). The reason resistance lowers current is it slows down the electrons (thus the "per second")
Current is the number of coulombs of charge passing a point in a given amount of time.

2: Voltage is basically potential gravity. constant*charge1*charge2/distance.
Well, it's not gravity -- but the equation is correct. Potential goes as the inverse of the distance.

3: R=IV, (series) R = R+R... , I=I=I, V=V+V, (parralel), 1/R = 1/R + 1/R.., I = I+I, V=V=V
Ohm's Law is V = IR, not R = IV.

6: The equation for the magnetic field between two plates is: Field = Voltage/Distance (between plates). The field is uniform across the entire area.
This is the sort of place where units will help your memory. Electric fields are commonly represented in units of volts/meter, or units of Newtons/coulomb. Keeping track of the units will make your life loads and loads easier.

- Warren
 
"The constant is 9.0* 10^9 right? (nm the units)"

I thought he meant that the units were "Newton-meters"! (i.e. work)
 
HallsofIvy said:
"The constant is 9.0* 10^9 right? (nm the units)"

I thought he meant that the units were "Newton-meters"! (i.e. work)

I don't need to know the constants because I know the formula it is in:

F = k*c1*c2/r^2

since the units of c1*c2/r^2 are C^2/M^2 and the units of F are Kg*m/s^2, u must have the units needed to convert from one to the other.
 
Well, it turns out we were given the (unbelievable) luxury of all the equations and constants printed out on a page at the back of the exam. Imagine my surprise when I came upon it as I finished :smile: .

Anyways, the whole thing went well. I got an 89 (yes, our teacher marks THAT fast), highest in the class. Thanks for your help.
 

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