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Old Jun19-09, 09:18 AM       Last edited by Mentallic; Jun19-09 at 09:24 AM..            #1
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Undefined Points

I am aware that for a function that is undefined at a point x=a such as LaTeX Code: f(x)=1/(x-a)

LaTeX Code: \\underbrace{lim}_{x\\rightarrow a}f(x)=\\pm \\infty

But it tends to infinite only because it is in the form a/0, where aLaTeX Code: \\neq 0.

Undefined values in the form 0/0 can have a range of values - all reals if I'm not mistaken.

I thus set up a function f(x) multiplied by another function g(x) so that f(a)=0 and g(a) undefined. However, the functions are not in a form where they can seemingly cancel factors of the zero and undefined value.

e.g.
LaTeX Code: h(x)=\\frac{x+1}{x^2-1}=\\frac{1}{x-1}, x\\neq \\pm 1


So, such a function I simply came up with was

LaTeX Code: h(x)=x*tan(x+\\frac{\\pi}{2})

I used a graphing calculator to try understand what was happening around x=0, and it seems that

LaTeX Code: \\underbrace{lim}_{x\\rightarrow 0}h(x)=-1

Now I just want to understand why this limit tends to -1, not any other real values.
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Old Jun19-09, 09:28 AM                  #2
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Re: Undefined Points

Well, you might try utilizing the identity:
LaTeX Code: tan(x+y)=\\frac{\\sin(x)\\cos(y)+\\cos(x)\\sin(y)}{\\cos  (x)\\cos(y)-\\sin(x)\\sin(y)}
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Old Jun19-09, 09:40 AM                  #3
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Re: Undefined Points

A simpler example might be

LaTeX Code: <BR>f(x) = x \\sin\\left(\\frac 1 x \\right)<BR>

for which

LaTeX Code: <BR>\\lim_{x \\to 0^+} f(x) = 0<BR>
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Old Jun19-09, 09:43 AM                  #4
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Re: Undefined Points

Aha

LaTeX Code: tan(x+y)=\\frac{sin(x+y)}{cos(x+y)}

But all I get using this result is

LaTeX Code: tan(x+\\frac{\\pi}{2})=-cot(x)

It isn't helping just yet.
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Old Jun19-09, 09:51 AM                  #5
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Re: Undefined Points

Hang on...

So the function now is LaTeX Code: f(x)=-\\frac{x}{tan(x)}

and since the gradients of x and tanx at x=0 are equal, this gives it the value 1?
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Old Jun19-09, 10:39 AM                  #6
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Re: Undefined Points

Indeed.

Or, as you can verify:
LaTeX Code: x\\tan(x+\\frac{\\pi}{2})=-\\frac{x}{\\sin(x)}\\cos(x)
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Old Jun19-09, 11:35 PM                  #7
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Re: Undefined Points

Well, I remember the result

LaTeX Code: \\lim_{x \\to 0}\\frac{x}{sin(x)}=1

and LaTeX Code: cos(0)=1 so I guess we can deduce that:

LaTeX Code: \\lim_{x \\to 0}-\\frac{x}{sin(x)}cos(x)=-1

However, I'm sure that the function doesn't exist at the point x=0, so if I were to draw the function, I would leave an empty circle at the point (0,-1)?

Just like my previous mentioned function: LaTeX Code: f(x)=\\frac{x+1}{x^2-1}
if I were to draw this function, I would quickly notice it is the same as LaTeX Code: f(x)=\\frac{1}{x-1} except LaTeX Code: x\\neq -1

Can I do the same for LaTeX Code: f(x)=-x cot(x) ? That is to say, can I find this equal to a simpler form (or more complicated if need be) of the same function, that instead is defined at x=0?
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