What is the significance of the number e in calculus?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the number e in calculus, exploring its definitions, properties, and applications. Participants are particularly interested in understanding e beyond its numerical value, considering its role in calculus concepts such as derivatives and integrals.

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  • Some participants seek alternative definitions of e, questioning whether it represents a physical ratio like pi or the golden ratio.
  • One participant mentions that e can be defined as the limit \(\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1\), highlighting its significance in calculus.
  • Another definition provided is \(e = \lim_{h \rightarrow \infty} (1 + 1/h)^h\), which some find helpful for visualization.
  • Participants also mention the series expansion \(e = \sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{i!}\), though one notes that this only indicates the size of e without explaining its usefulness.
  • Euler's identity \(e^{i\pi} - 1 = 0\) is referenced as a notable expression involving e.
  • It is pointed out that the function \(e^x\) is unique in that it is its own derivative, which is emphasized as a key property.
  • One participant discusses the integral \(\int_1^e \frac{dx}{x} = 1\), suggesting that this area under the curve illustrates an interesting aspect of e.
  • There is a discussion about the derivative of \(a^x\) and how e is defined such that its derivative is \(e^x\), with some clarification on the constant involved in the derivative of other bases.

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Participants express various definitions and properties of e, but there is no consensus on a singular understanding of its significance or utility. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some definitions and properties discussed depend on specific mathematical contexts, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of these definitions in broader applications.

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I just started calc 2. And my book defined e as the number such that: [tex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1[/tex] I’m having trouble picturing what e is. Is there another definition of e? Is a actual physical ratio, (like pi or the golden ratio) or is it just some random number?
 
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JonF said:
I just started calc 2. And my book defined e as the number such that: [tex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1[/tex] I’m having trouble picturing what e is. Is there another definition of e? Is a actual physical ratio, (like pi or the golden ratio) or is it just some random number?
For one, the exponential function [itex]f(x) = e^x[/itex] is the same as all of its derivatives (and anti-derivatives if you ignore the constant). There are other definitions for e, perhaps look it up at wikipedia and mathworld.
 
e = lim as h->infinity of (1+1/h)^h
 
Another popular version is:
[tex]e=\sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{i!}[/tex]
 
Thanks nate that was exactly what I was looking for, I can picture that one
 
But that's (the series expansion) only saying how big e is (2.718281...). It doesn't tell you anything more about why e is useful or interesting.
 
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Other than the limits, and the mclaurin series, all i can think of at the moment is euler's (identity?)

e^(i*Pi) - 1 = 0

For a calc 2 perspective, you'll probably use all three.

Here's the easiest way to think of e.

d e^x / dx = e^x

The function is its own derivative (...and integral)
 
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Gokul43201 said:
But that's (the series expansion) only saying how big e is (2.718281...). It doesn't tell you anything more about why e is useful or interesting.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the function Exp(x) defined by:
[tex]Exp(x)=\sum_{i=0}^{\infty}\frac{x^{i}}{i!}[/tex]
is necessary in order to rigourously define the exponentiation process in general (for example, to introduce the concept of an irrational number raised to an irrational exponent (I think this is the rational way to do it..)).

Besides, the sequence of finite series approximations to Exp(1) converges quite fast.
So, Exp(1) is perhaps a form of e worth mentioning.
 
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The magic of e lies in this expression

[tex]\int ^e _1 \frac {dx} x =1[/tex]

so the area under the inverse curve between 1 and e is exactly 1 square unit.
 
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The point of [itex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1[/itex] is that it is easy to show that the derivative of ax is
[itex](\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{a^h-1}{h})a^x[/itex].

Since [itex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{e^h-1}{h}=1[/itex],
ex has the nice property that its derivative is just ex again.

Think of it this way: the derivative of ax is C ax where C is a constant (i.e. does not depend on x) the does depend on C. e is defined as the number for which that C is 1.
 

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