Solving Ball and String Problem with Components

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ball tied to a string and subjected to a force at an angle. Participants are exploring how to analyze the forces acting on the ball, specifically focusing on the force holding the ball in position and the tension in the string.

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  • Participants are attempting to use x and y components to analyze the forces but are encountering difficulties. Questions are raised about how to set up the problem with two unknowns and the implications of not knowing the direction of the force F.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to break down the forces into components and set up equations based on those components. However, there remains uncertainty about the direction of the force F and how that affects the ability to solve for the unknowns.

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Participants note that without knowing the direction of the force F, there may not be enough information to determine the magnitudes of the force and tension.

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I can't figure out how to do this one...please help!

A 2.4kg ball tied to a string fixed to the ceiling is pulled to one side by a force F to an angle of 28 degrees from the ceiling. Just before the ball is released and allowed to swing back and forth, (a) how large is the force F that is holding the ball in position and (b) what is the tension in the string?

I tried solving this using x and y components, but it's not working. How would I set this up using components?
 
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Show what you've done. (I assume that the force F is meant to be a horizontal force.) Give the x and y components of each force acting on the ball.
 
I know that tension from the string is acting on the ball, its weight*gravity, and the force that I'm trying to find, but with two unknowns, how do i find force and tension?
 
akatsafa said:
I know that tension from the string is acting on the ball, its weight*gravity, and the force that I'm trying to find, but with two unknowns, how do i find force and tension?
I know what you're getting at. It seems rather puzzling doesn't it. If you just let F be a force with 0 as the vertical component, you should be able to solve this. My question is, if I don't know the direction of F, how do I solve this problem?
 
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akatsafa said:
I know that tension from the string is acting on the ball, its weight*gravity, and the force that I'm trying to find, but with two unknowns, how do i find force and tension?
Remember rule #1: Always do what Doc Al says! (Just kidding... :smile:) But I asked you to find the x and y components of each force acting on the ball. Do it! Then add the x components and set equal to zero; then do the same for the y components. You'll get two equations and two unknowns.
 
e(ho0n3 said:
My question is, if I don't know the direction of F, how do I solve this problem?
The magnitudes of the force F and the tension depend on the angle that the force makes. So if you aren't given the direction of F, you don't have enough information.
 

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