Understanding the 2000 Republican Primaries: How Did Bush Beat McCain?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the 2000 Republican primaries, specifically examining how George W. Bush managed to defeat John McCain. Participants explore various perspectives on the candidates' qualities, campaign strategies, and the influence of external factors such as media and corporate interests.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Bush was the right choice over McCain, suggesting that McCain would have been a stronger candidate against Kerry.
  • One participant claims that Bush's victory was achieved through slander and push polling tactics, attributing this strategy to Karl Rove.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that corporate leaders control the media, which influences public perception and electoral outcomes.
  • Some participants express a preference for McCain over Bush, indicating a willingness to vote for McCain even against a Democratic candidate like Kerry.
  • There is a mention of Howard Dean's actions as a significant factor in the primaries, though the details of this claim are not elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the candidates, with some favoring McCain over Bush and others attributing Bush's success to external influences. There is no consensus on the reasons behind Bush's victory or the overall assessment of the candidates.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors such as media influence and campaign strategies without fully resolving the complexities of these claims. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of these factors on the election outcomes.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying political campaigns, media influence in elections, or the dynamics of party primaries in the United States.

What if McCain were thrown into the Republican ticket?

  • Intended to vote for Bush, would support Bush over McCain.

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Intended to vote for Bush, would support McCain over Bush.

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Intended to vote for Bush, would vote Kerry over McCain.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Intended to vote Kerry, would vote McCain over Kerry.

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Total voters
    6
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Is there anyone, Conservative or Liberal, who can honestly say that they think Bush was the right choice in retrospect, and that McCain would have done worse than Bush? I was just talking with a friend of mine, (we're both liberals), and we both agreed that it was pathetic Kerry would be the one to have to oust Bush, and that McCain would have been such an awesome candidate, and that we'd both support McCain over Kerry any day. Does anyone have any insight as to how Bush actually beat McCain? I mean, Bush was billed as the rich idiot who's riding his dad's fame all along, even since the 2000 Republican Primaries, wheras McCain's a war hero and just regarded so well by Democrats and Republicans.

Side note hypothetical situation: Let's say some major sh|t were to go down and in the eyes of the Republicans, Bush had lost credibility and had a slim chance of victory, and McCain challenged him for the GOP ticket. First of all, if you intended to vote Bush, would you support McCain over Bush, and if McCain won, would you change from voting GOP to Kerry, or Kerry to McCain?
 
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Would vote for McCain over Bush.
 
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phatmonky said:
Would vote for McCain over Bush.

Exactly!

McCain=Conservative Republican
Bush=NeoCon (they have affiliated themselves with my party but they should not be called repubs IMO)
 
Bush beat McCain because coprate leaders control the media, which has strong control over public perception, and uses that power to elect people who will do their bidding. this is also why we have Kerry as the democratic nominee.
 
I would still vote for Kerry, even though McCain is my favorite Republican.
 
kyleb said:
Bush beat McCain because coprate leaders control the media, which has strong control over public perception, and uses that power to elect people who will do their bidding. this is also why we have Kerry as the democratic nominee.
Well, that may be part of it, but I think the main reason was Howard Deans actions all on his own. :smile:

By the way, I voted "Intended to vote Kerry, would vote for McCain."
 

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